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Ok, I've been bothered by something for a while now
1. We are scaling Base Wraith to Enhanced Neinhart
2. We are scaling Wraith possessing Makarov to be 4x stronger than Makarov and Base Wraith
I was the one who initially brought this over a year ago, but I have come to realize it's complete nonsense
First of all, right before Natsu fights Wraith, he directly says that he's almost out of magic. I know that Natsu has insane magic power regen, but the fact that he says he's low on magic power right before this fight means that he was substantially weakened when he was fighting Wraith. Another thing to note is that Base Wraith doesn't really hurt Natsu will most of his attacks, he only does minor damage that annoys him really. The only attack that does any damage is Dragon Spirit, and while yeah, that's impressive, it's still a weakened already injured Natsu. As well, when Natsu attacks and damages Wraith, he only uses basic punches and kicks, with no fire amps at all, and remember that this is an already weakened Natsu, so yeah, to suggest this Wraith is taking hits comparable to the ones Enhanced Neinhart took is a bit far fetched. Even more evidence that supports this is that we know for a fact that Brandish is stronger than X792 Makarov, she has greater magic power, he is still within the realm of her power, but he is weaker. Enhanced Neinhart is far stronger than Brandish, and not to mention Makarov in X793 is weaker than his X792 key as he is physically crippled, which is explicitly said by Wraith to be one of the reasons why he lost to Natsu. As well, Wraith explicitly says that someone needs magic power equal to or above his own to have a good Synchro rate with him, Makarov fits this bill, and Wraith even says that Makarov has enourmous magic power, meaning that even Crippled Makarov is above Base Wraith. So Base Wraith<X793 Makarov<X792 Makarov<Brandish<Enhanced Neinhart. There's just no way to reliably scale Base Wraith to Neinhart or Brandish, it flat out doesn't work. This all makes the idea that Makarov+Wraith is a whopping 4x stronger than before iffy. Now Makarov should still have the same level of magic power as in X792, just being physically weaker, so I guess you can argue that Wraith and Makarov's combined power that multiplies into each other would be around 2x Makarov, but this whole 4x above Makarov needs to go.
Now this actually changes nobody but Wraith as Base Natsu and those that scale to him have other feats that put them at the same AP Value they are at now, they are staying 6-C based on numerous things, the point is that Wraith and Makarov need to be changed
EDIT: Now Zackra has suggested that Base Wraith should scale to and above Alta Face, since while Base Wraith was able to somewhat hurt a weakened Base Natsu, Alta Face was unable to do anything to a Base Natsu who couldn't use magic at all, this would retroactively change all of the Spriggans AP Values, making them all 6-C, so I believe this is a very important discussion
1. We are scaling Base Wraith to Enhanced Neinhart
2. We are scaling Wraith possessing Makarov to be 4x stronger than Makarov and Base Wraith
I was the one who initially brought this over a year ago, but I have come to realize it's complete nonsense
First of all, right before Natsu fights Wraith, he directly says that he's almost out of magic. I know that Natsu has insane magic power regen, but the fact that he says he's low on magic power right before this fight means that he was substantially weakened when he was fighting Wraith. Another thing to note is that Base Wraith doesn't really hurt Natsu will most of his attacks, he only does minor damage that annoys him really. The only attack that does any damage is Dragon Spirit, and while yeah, that's impressive, it's still a weakened already injured Natsu. As well, when Natsu attacks and damages Wraith, he only uses basic punches and kicks, with no fire amps at all, and remember that this is an already weakened Natsu, so yeah, to suggest this Wraith is taking hits comparable to the ones Enhanced Neinhart took is a bit far fetched. Even more evidence that supports this is that we know for a fact that Brandish is stronger than X792 Makarov, she has greater magic power, he is still within the realm of her power, but he is weaker. Enhanced Neinhart is far stronger than Brandish, and not to mention Makarov in X793 is weaker than his X792 key as he is physically crippled, which is explicitly said by Wraith to be one of the reasons why he lost to Natsu. As well, Wraith explicitly says that someone needs magic power equal to or above his own to have a good Synchro rate with him, Makarov fits this bill, and Wraith even says that Makarov has enourmous magic power, meaning that even Crippled Makarov is above Base Wraith. So Base Wraith<X793 Makarov<X792 Makarov<Brandish<Enhanced Neinhart. There's just no way to reliably scale Base Wraith to Neinhart or Brandish, it flat out doesn't work. This all makes the idea that Makarov+Wraith is a whopping 4x stronger than before iffy. Now Makarov should still have the same level of magic power as in X792, just being physically weaker, so I guess you can argue that Wraith and Makarov's combined power that multiplies into each other would be around 2x Makarov, but this whole 4x above Makarov needs to go.
Now this actually changes nobody but Wraith as Base Natsu and those that scale to him have other feats that put them at the same AP Value they are at now, they are staying 6-C based on numerous things, the point is that Wraith and Makarov need to be changed
EDIT: Now Zackra has suggested that Base Wraith should scale to and above Alta Face, since while Base Wraith was able to somewhat hurt a weakened Base Natsu, Alta Face was unable to do anything to a Base Natsu who couldn't use magic at all, this would retroactively change all of the Spriggans AP Values, making them all 6-C, so I believe this is a very important discussion
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