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I agree with plot only.
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Wdym?
Vietthai96
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Which mean he only express his oponion on plot hax, otherwise he is neutral or don't care about
Anyway aside from the contesting Plox hax, would everyone mind if i go ahead and applies what was already accepted and being fine by others??
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ant said It was ok
so you apply the stuff that’s been accepted I assume but I think we’re still gonna have to discuss plot manipThank you for helping out.
What was accepted here can probably be applied then, but not what was rejected.
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I agree with @Theglassman12
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Also i forgot another feat to support for my Plot hax argument is Fu literally change the role of Supreme Kai of Time, made Demigra in that role instead
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what support ? This is blatant plot hax. This should be your first argument.
Anyways i agree with plot hax.
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Hmm, not really, since changing role, change fate, change reality in one of Plot hax application which other type of power can also perform the same power, what matter is how those change is performed. In this situation it is achieved by the method i already explained in OP
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Reading the OP and most of the thread, @Theglassman12 makes sense to me more. Just being called history and taking a textual form isn't representative of plot manipulation via manipulating it.
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It is not being called history, it is actual history itself which was written down in book, it is enough evidences for at least a Possibly Plot Manipulation from what i saw how Plot hax was accepted over the years. Anyway with all due respect i saw many characters got the power from similar reason via manipulating some books without extremely specific mention of metafiction, and the only counter both you and Glass could come-up with is: It isn't fit standard or something similar, so i think there is a double standards going on here tbh
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Then those characters should be scrutinized. Manipulating history is just Causality Manipulation or Fate Manipulation generally speaking, regardless of the presentation of the mechanism. If others have gotten it on flimsy justifications, then they should have their abilities looked at and removed.
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I mean, they already manipulated history, that why back then Time Power have Causality Manipulation, since the power can revert everything and reset outcome of history, which mean undo the effects in cause and effects which is a properties of Causality Manipulation. However iirc Glass argued that you need statement to be able to manipulate causality to get the power so it got removed
About Plot hax, like i said, it isn't just manipulating history, but rather manipulating history which was written on the scroll/book, actual physical history is in the scroll as plot, story, text which changing fate of one person or changing history, etc......since changing fate, history, warp reality can be performed by Plot hax, and many profile get Plot hax via manipulating some books so i made arguments for it.
Also aside from Plot hax, what do you think about Text hax??
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What mechanism for manipulating history is used doesn't matter as much as the fact that it's still just history. It's not the story or some metafictional force being controlled and thus, it isn't plot manipulation.
Neutral. I don't have enough knowledge to judge.
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I also agree with this.
Thank you for helping out.
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Not really? From what scans are used above at least, they talk about altering the timeline/history but do we have any showings of how they achieve that? It could be anything from Time Travel to full on Casuality or Fate Manipulation.
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beerus has quote to destroy all history in Xenoverse 1
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I mean, Towa used the power of Tokitoki's egg to change Dabura's outcome so I don't think it's just Time Travel. That's all I'm gonnna say here
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This aint no plot. To manipulate the plot you gotta change the story. (like dr slump) this is just changing the outcomes of what happens. so it would be more of a fate manipulation or causality manipulation.
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I don't think my concerns on data/information manipulation were fully addressed, but I'm fine with saving that topic for another thread.
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finally there will be an infinite Zamasu profile for Xenoverse, I waited a lot for this day.
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im raising my hand here
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Yez
From the OP it seems like:
Robelu
Universe Tree
Chamel
Fusion Zamasu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
Fu (Dragon Ball)
Time Power (Dragon Ball)
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Those profiles are already unlocked, since they are not controversial
except plot hax, most peoples fine with others, Fujiwara has some problems with Data/Info but she said she will talking about it another day
Anyway i will handle the editing, you guys just fix my spelling and grammar
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I think we agreed of plot instead being casualty
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Okay. Never mind then.
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Beerus should also obtain, as it is mentioned that he could destroy all history
I'm not lying, you can see all the context here
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This gonna be a time-consuming work lol
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midnight already, i will finish the task tomorrow,
also for people who can get confuse, i conceded on Plot hax, since Planck stated it is more like Causality hax, and people disagreed with Plox hax, invited Admins did not come so i can't do anything about it
also for people who can get confuse, i conceded on Plot hax, since Planck stated it is more like Causality hax, and people disagreed with Plox hax, invited Admins did not come so i can't do anything about it
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