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Extremely, Very Normal DBXV & Heroes additions

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Vietthai96 said:
Which mean he only express his oponion on plot hax, otherwise he is neutral or don't care about

Anyway aside from the contesting Plox hax, would everyone mind if i go ahead and applies what was already accepted??
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ant said It was ok
Antvasima said:
Thank you for helping out. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

What was accepted here can probably be applied then, but not what was rejected.
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so you apply the stuff that’s been accepted I assume but I think we’re still gonna have to discuss plot manip
 
Aachintya31 said:
what support ? This is blatant plot hax. This should be your first argument.
Anyways i agree with plot hax.
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Hmm, not really, since changing role, change fate, change reality in one of Plot hax application which other type of power can also perform the same power, what matter is how those change is performed. In this situation it is achieved by the method i already explained in OP
 
Planck69 said:
Reading the OP and most of the thread, @Theglassman12 makes sense to me more. Just being called history and taking a textual form isn't representative of plot manipulation via manipulating it.
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It is not being called history, it is actual history itself which was written down in book, it is enough evidences for at least a Possibly Plot Manipulation from what i saw how Plot hax was accepted over the years. Anyway with all due respect i saw many characters got the power from similar reason via manipulating some books without extremely specific mention of metafiction, and the only counter both you and Glass could come-up with is: It isn't fit standard or something similar, so i think there is a double standards going on here tbh
 
Vietthai96 said:
It is not being called history, it is actual history itself which was written down in book, it is enough evidences for at least a Possibly Plot Manipulation from what i saw how Plot hax was accepted over the years. Anyway with all due respect i saw many characters got the power from similar reason via manipulating some books without extremely specific mention of metafiction, and the only counter both you and Glass could come-up with is: It isn't fit standard or something similar, so i think there is a double standards going on here tbh
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Then those characters should be scrutinized. Manipulating history is just Causality Manipulation or Fate Manipulation generally speaking, regardless of the presentation of the mechanism. If others have gotten it on flimsy justifications, then they should have their abilities looked at and removed.
 
Planck69 said:
Manipulating history is just Causality Manipulation or Fate Manipulation generally speaking, regardless of the presentation of the mechanism.
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I mean, they already manipulated history, that why back then Time Power have Causality Manipulation, since the power can revert everything and reset outcome of history, which mean undo the effects in cause and effects which is a properties of Causality Manipulation. However iirc Glass argued that you need statement to be able to manipulate causality to get the power so it got removed

About Plot hax, like i said, it isn't just manipulating history, but rather manipulating history which was written on the scroll/book, actual physical history is in the scroll as plot, story, text which changing fate of one person or changing history, etc......since changing fate, history, warp reality can be performed by Plot hax, and many profile get Plot hax via manipulating some books so i made arguments for it.

Also aside from Plot hax, what do you think about Text hax??
 
Vietthai96 said:
About Plot hax, like i said, it isn't just manipulating history, but rather manipulating history which was written on the scroll/book, actual physical history is in the scroll as plot, story, text which changing fate of one person or changing history, etc......since changing fate, history, warp reality can be performed by Plot hax, and many profile get Plot hax via manipulating some books so i made arguments for it.
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What mechanism for manipulating history is used doesn't matter as much as the fact that it's still just history. It's not the story or some metafictional force being controlled and thus, it isn't plot manipulation.
Vietthai96 said:
Also aside from Plot hax, what do you think about Text hax??
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Neutral. I don't have enough knowledge to judge.
 
Planck69 said:
What mechanism for manipulating history is used doesn't matter as much as the fact that it's still just history. It's not the story or some metafictional force being controlled and thus, it isn't plot manipulation.
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So you are oke with Causality Manipulation??
Planck69 said:
Neutral. I don't have enough knowledge to judge.
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Oke
 
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Theglassman12 said:
They're not literal stories, they're timelines sustained by the time scrolls. You have not proven at all that they're metafictional elements at all. If you cannot prove that they're metafictional elements they're controlling then this isn't passing for plot manipulation, which is the bare minimum requirement for it to pass.
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Planck69 said:
Reading the OP and most of the thread, @Theglassman12 makes sense to me more. Just being called history and taking a textual form isn't representative of plot manipulation via manipulating it.
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Planck69 said:
Then those characters should be scrutinized. Manipulating history is just Causality Manipulation or Fate Manipulation generally speaking, regardless of the presentation of the mechanism. If others have gotten it on flimsy justifications, then they should have their abilities looked at and removed.
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I also agree with this.

Thank you for helping out. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
 
Planck69 said:
Not really? From what scans are used above at least, they talk about altering the timeline/history but do we have any showings of how they achieve that? It could be anything from Time Travel to full on Casuality or Fate Manipulation.
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I mean, Towa used the power of Tokitoki's egg to change Dabura's outcome so I don't think it's just Time Travel. That's all I'm gonnna say here
 
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Vietthai96 said:
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This aint no plot. To manipulate the plot you gotta change the story. (like dr slump) this is just changing the outcomes of what happens. so it would be more of a fate manipulation or causality manipulation.
 
So is some knowledgeable member who is able to edit our wiki properly willing to apply the accepted revisions here? And can somebody list any pages that need to be unlocked as well please?
 
Okay. Can you maintain proper spelling and grammar when editing? Also, which, if any, pages do I need to unlock for editing?
 
Also Wont we need the ap justifications for the new Keys?

Also can the Op tell me what abilities should be in what key? This would really help.
 
Braking said:
Robelu
Universe Tree
Chamel
Fusion Zamasu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
Fu (Dragon Ball)
Time Power (Dragon Ball)
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Those profiles are already unlocked, since they are not controversial
Braking said:
also can someone summarize the agreements?
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except plot hax, most peoples fine with others, Fujiwara has some problems with Data/Info but she said she will talking about it another day

Anyway i will handle the editing, you guys just fix my spelling and grammar
 
Braking said:
Yez


From the OP it seems like:

Robelu
Universe Tree
Chamel
Fusion Zamasu (Super Dragon Ball Heroes)
Fu (Dragon Ball)
Time Power (Dragon Ball)
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Beerus should also obtain, as it is mentioned that he could destroy all history


I'm not lying, you can see all the context here
 
midnight already, i will finish the task tomorrow,

also for people who can get confuse, i conceded on Plot hax, since Planck stated it is more like Causality hax, and people disagreed with Plox hax, invited Admins did not come so i can't do anything about it
 
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