Extremely, Very Normal DBXV & Heroes additions

[Vietthai96]

Finally after such a long time, a Dragon Ball CRT from me

I. Character, Item Additions:

• Robelu will get a new key for Ultra God Mission, she has Dark Factor from Dark King Demigra now, She also will get Time Power because she can use Time Rail which is a skill belong to Time Power
• Universe Tree will get a key for its Seed form, since it is pretty relevant item in Universe Mission and appear throughout later half of it, it is also standard equipment of Hearts in that mission, no new abilities or something for it since the Seed form is the initial state of the Tree. Sure Hearts will also get Universe Seed added as his standard equipment
• Chamel will get Barrier Creation & Attack Reflection as he can creates a Wall which bound Agios space-time freeze hax back at her, also some minor fixes for his profile
• Heroes Fusion Zamasu will get his own Infinite Zamasu key, since the guy have some different things compare to DBS counterpart
• Fu (Xenoverse) should get Data Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) since he can manipulate Tokipedia which contain records and data of multiple space-time/timelines, they are actual legit timeline which you can see from the gameplay video as player when use Tokipedia will experiences real histories. this scan also literally stated those are actual timelines. Fu also even stated he want to extracting Data from this scan. Also he has Energy Absorption on his profile, however the feat is he actually turn the entire timeline into energy and absorb it, idk how to classifies this feat since it is much more than just energy absorption, it could be even Space-Time hax since he affect timeline, or Reality Warping since visually the reality get warped in a sense, well whatever

II. Power Additions:
Time Power will get:

• Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation as it can generate burning flame or intense thunder
• This feats is considering as Matter Manipulation, but it is also Transmutation, since it turn the the target into something else, pretty much fit the description
• Text Manipulation, Plot Manipulation: Practically, Time Power can manipulate Time Scroll, which is described as contain important texts as a Book, and history is listed and written in it as a story or a plot, it records and shows all events of history like a live video. Manipulate the scroll result in changing physical reality like when Towa used Time Power on the scroll to change Dabura's fate of getting eaten by Majin Buu, and Fu can freely reset the final outcome after Future Warrior complete the story. Sealas also stated the same thing about history being written down, as he want to burn the current to write new history.

Anyway this is all, sorry for my bad spelling and grammar, anyway thanks you all ^^

 

[Irineu]

I agree with everything, but I'm neutral about text and plot manipulation.

 

[Aachintya31]

Anyway this is all, sorry for my bad spelling and grammar, anyway thanks you all ^^

Man it's too difficult to understand.
Your grammer rivals @Reiner .

 

[Vietthai96]

Man it's too difficult to understand.
Your grammer rivals @Reiner .

Is my grammar that bad???, you hurt me, i'm sad

 

[Theglassman12]

Literally where the hell does any of this remotely mention Metafictional elements like changing the setting or the characters roles or the script as opposed to just altering the timeline? Because nothing about this screams plot and text manipulation, just the scrolls sustaining and changing entire timelines.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems uncontroversial to apply.

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @SamanPatou

What do you think about this?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Does Infinite Zamasu appear?

 

[Antvasima]

Literally where the hell does any of this remotely mention Metafictional elements like changing the setting or the characters roles or the script as opposed to just altering the timeline? Because nothing about this screams plot and text manipulation, just the scrolls sustaining and changing entire timelines.

Yes, that is a very good point. My apologies about that.

 

[Vietthai96]

Does Infinite Zamasu appear?

I mean, just a key for him for indexing purpose, also if that DBS cosmology thread get accepted IZ from Heroes will be even more different than Super

Literally where the hell does any of this remotely mention Metafictional elements like changing the setting or the characters roles or the script as opposed to just altering the timeline? Because nothing about this screams plot and text manipulation, just the scrolls sustaining and changing entire timelines.

Would you mind please cool down, why most of the time i feel like you sound extremely pissed.

Anyway back to the topic, i think this is too sematic in arguing, literally scans stated history was written into the time scroll and being contained as text, the scroll is a book and timeline presenting in it is story/plot. This scan even stated about timeline being scenarios, main story, route, etc.....which implying things at narrative level.

 

[Theglassman12]

I’m not even pissed, I’m asking where’s the connections here because I don’t see it, me saying a swear word doesn’t mean I’m pissed.

History being written in the scroll doesn’t mean plot hax at all. It’s just that history is in the scroll, and destroying the scroll means the timeline is erased as a result. Timelines being scenarios mean absolutely nothing here, especially when one of the definitions of scenarios is this

a postulated sequence or development of events.

Nothing about time scrolls remotely mentions or implies anything metafictional in nature like the examples I gave above, so I disagree with plot hax.

 

[Antvasima]

What do you think about the other suggestions here?

 

[Theglassman12]

Don’t really see why it’s matter manipulation and transmutation and not just transmutation.

Is both the fire and electricity implied to be done with time power because without the context it’s only an Agios and Chronoa specific move. Rest looks ok.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

What was accepted here can probably be applied then, but not what was rejected.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I agree with Glass for the most part but Fu saying he wants to "extract hard data" isn't really proof of data manipulation. He's likely just saying it as a way of saying he's going to do more research/tests, which is a means of acquiring data on something. The rest is probably just information manipulation, idk why data manipulation is being lumped in with it. Seems to be a common problem with DBH where characters are given two similar-ish abilities when they should really only have one.

 

[Thelastmlg]

i agree with all as well besides plot manip, they are using those terms as synonyms with history, because yeah, stories that happened are history, we only really give plot manip when it is treated as an actual metafictional structure in the and not the same as actual history

and yeah i do think matter manip should just be changed to transmutation

 

[Vietthai96]

I’m not even pissed, I’m asking where’s the connections here because I don’t see it, me saying a swear word doesn’t mean I’m pissed.

Oke i apologize, i misunderstand

History being written in the scroll doesn’t mean plot hax at all. It’s just that history is in the scroll, and destroying the scroll means the timeline is erased as a result. Timelines being scenarios mean absolutely nothing here, especially when one of the definitions of scenarios is this

History being written is one of supporting evidences, there is much more than that.

Also, from the bold part in your comment, history is timeline, and when an entire timeline inside a scroll/a book, it is pretty much implying reality-fiction already, your argument actually support that notion

Nothing about time scrolls remotely mentions or implies anything metafictional in nature like the examples I gave above, so I disagree with plot hax.

for the sake of arguing, even if we exclude plot hax, text hax is blatant, the scan stated very clear

Don’t really see why it’s matter manipulation and transmutation and not just transmutation.

So you mean only Transmutation???

Is both the fire and electricity implied to be done with time power because without the context it’s only an Agios and Chronoa specific move

yes, the move Chronoa perform called Temporal Judgment, every Time Power move have their named related to time such as being named temporal, and about Agios's flame, like i said before, only Time Power can affect Time Scroll, like turn them into energy for example

but Fu saying he wants to "extract hard data" isn't really proof of data manipulation. He's likely just saying it as a way of saying he's going to do more research/tests, which is a means of acquiring data on something

No, the scan actually mention Data inside Tokipedia which he can do whatever he want with his power, the scan about him extracting data is a supporting evidence, also no, it is not some metapor statement,
Data and Information is also pretty much interchangable

What was accepted here can probably be applied then, but not what was rejected.

Alright, however power such as Plot & Text hax is being contested, and since you call some other staffs, should we wait for their decision on this???

 

[Thelastmlg]

History being written is one of supporting evidences, there is much more than that.

Also, from the bold part in your comment, history is timeline, and when an entire timeline inside a scroll/a book, it is pretty much implying reality-fiction already, your argument actually support that notion

show the other evidence then, cuz we need it

and no, it doesn't imply R-F, it is simply how they are contained, hell pretty sure even R-F via seeing stuff as stories doesn't grant plot hax but just tier 1 AP cuz there is a difference between using metafictional aspects as a metaphor, even to show superiority, and using them as actual metafictional aspects

 

[Antvasima]

Alright, however power such as Plot & Text hax is being contested, and since you call some other staffs, should we wait for their decision on this???

I do not know. Plot manipulation really does seem exaggerated to me as well.

 

[Thelastmlg]

i think is fair to at least wait for others opinions on it, plus some other powers seem also contested like the aoegis stuff and transmutation

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Vietthai96]

show the other evidence then, cuz we need it

it is literally on OP bro

and no, it doesn't imply R-F, it is simply how they are contained, hell pretty sure even R-F via seeing stuff as stories doesn't grant plot hax but just tier 1 AP cuz there is a difference between using metafictional aspects as a metaphor, even to show superiority, and using them as actual metafictional aspects

i just counter back at Glass's comment, but iirc, from your bolded part, it actually grant plot hax, if you truly manipulate the lower realm, just the the plot hax is 1 dimensionality lower (or could be even more) than your since you aren't show feat manipulating plot at the same level of your dimensionality

transmutation

I think it is Matter hax, however it was accepted in previous thread, so i put it here

 

[Vietthai96]

Sorry for double post, but it is midnight in my country, so i can't comment for a good amount of time

 

[Theglassman12]

@Vietthai96 it literally does not support R>F interaction when they literally go to different timelines via portal and not via going from a higher plane to a lower plane.

At the very best it’s text manipulation but even then I find it a bit too vague unless more explicit statements of the literal text in the scroll is changing because of the timelines as opposed to seeing videos of the timeline.

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

I'm admittedly a little confused now, as the scans seem to be explicitly saying that Fu can't manipulate the data/information in Tokipedia. Why is that being used as a justification?

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm admittedly a little confused now, as the scans seem to be explicitly saying that Fu can't manipulate the data/information in Tokipedia. Why is that being used as a justification?

he erased the record but keep the 100% completion data intact, he not touch them

anyway i will reply Glass comment tomorrow

 

[Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara]

he erased the record but keep the 100% completion data intact, he not touch them

anyway i will reply Glass comment tomorrow

Okay, but that means he shouldn't get data manipulation, because he's obviously incapable of affecting this data. It calls information manipulation into question too, I guess.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Finally after such a long time, a Dragon Ball CRT from me

I. Character, Item Additions:

• Robelu will get a new key for Ultra God Mission, she has Dark Factor from Dark King Demigra now, She also will get Time Power because she can use Time Rail which is a skill belong to Time Power
• Universe Tree will get a key for its Seed form, since it is pretty relevant item in Universe Mission and appear throughout later half of it, it is also standard equipment of Hearts in that mission, no new abilities or something for it since the Seed form is the initial state of the Tree. Sure Hearts will also get Universe Seed added as his standard equipment
• Chamel will get Barrier Creation & Attack Reflection as he can creates a Wall which bound Agios space-time freeze hax back at her, also some minor fixes for his profile
• Heroes Fusion Zamasu will get his own Infinite Zamasu key, since the guy have some different things compare to DBS counterpart
• Fu (Xenoverse) should get Data Manipulation, Information Manipulation (Type 2) since he can manipulate Tokipedia which contain records and data of multiple space-time/timelines, they are actual legit timeline which you can see from the gameplay video as player when use Tokipedia will experiences real histories. this scan also literally stated those are actual timelines. Fu also even stated he want to extracting Data from this scan. Also he has Energy Absorption on his profile, however the feat is he actually turn the entire timeline into energy and absorb it, idk how to classifies this feat since it is much more than just energy absorption, it could be even Space-Time hax since he affect timeline, or Reality Warping since visually the reality get warped in a sense, well whatever

II. Power Additions:
Time Power will get:

• Fire Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation as it can generate burning flame or intense thunder
• This feats is considering as Matter Manipulation, but it is also Transmutation, since it turn the the target into something else, pretty much fit the description
• Text Manipulation, Plot Manipulation: Practically, Time Power can manipulate Time Scroll, which is described as contain important texts as a Book, and history is listed and written in it as a story or a plot, it records and shows all events of history like a live video. Manipulate the scroll result in changing physical reality like when Towa used Time Power on the scroll to change Dabura's fate of getting eaten by Majin Buu, and Fu can freely reset the final outcome after Future Warrior complete the story. Sealas also stated the same thing about history being written down, as he want to burn the current to write new history.

Anyway this is all, sorry for my bad spelling and grammar, anyway thanks you all ^^

I completely agree with everything mentioned.

 

[Reiner04]

Man it's too difficult to understand.
Your grammer rivals @Reiner .

What DO YOU MEAN!!!? MY GRAMMER MAY BE BAD BUT STILL, MY ENGLISH IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE THAN @Eficiente

Is my grammar that bad???, you hurt me, i'm sad

"That bad"? Now I am being seen as embodiment of grammatical mistakes,

 

[Reiner04]

Joke aside, I agree with @Theglassman12

 

[Quasar002]

I agree with glassman. I think it needs more proof about the hax plot. otherwise I think it's good.

 

[StekFence]

I guess writing down historical events is a R/f over history now

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I agree with everything neutral about plot hax since idk how to qualify for it

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

But I agree with Ant the stuff that’s accepted should be fine to apply and you should continue discussing about the stuff thats more controversial

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Also once you put in the accepted stuff please make sure to include the scans I don’t want a repeat of what happened last time

 

[Fixxed]

Yeah i agree with everything

I think we too strict about plot. The scan clearly stated that a history or event is contained in it as a text, it also stated that everything is written in it. It clearly mean the book contain everything as narrative or what that written in it

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Yeah i agree with everything

I think we too strict about plot. The scan clearly stated that a history or event is contained in it as a text, it also stated that everything is written in it. It clearly mean the book contain everything as narrative or what that written in it

I’m probably leaning towards agreeing with that too since I’ve been checking out characters with plot manipulation and seen one get plot manip for absorbing and restoring text (Erazor Djjnn)

 

[Theglassman12]

@godofice if Erazor Djinn has plot hax for that alone, then it's wrong, plain and simple. History being contained in a text means jack shit unless we're giving every human being plot manipulation for writing history books.

 

[Vietthai96]

History being contained in a text means jack shit unless we're giving every human being plot manipulation for writing history books.

Not at my PC but i will make a quick counter to this point, the comparison with human is a bad one, because human just write some texts into books, papers, etc....they/we didn't manipulating physical reality with it.

The definition of Plot manipulation and even Text manipulation, right on their page are, manipulating story, plot, texts to manipulating physical reality. In this situation, it is fitting the description as history which are actual physical timeline, written down in the scroll, which is also called books, as texts, manipulating it changing physical reality such as Towa changing her brother Dabura's fate so he alive, or Fu undone/reset every choices Future Warrior made and every results Future Warrior achieved, like nothing happen from the start. Even if we get too strict and specific with Metafiction statement and things, it is enough evidences for a Possibly Plot hax. I'm on phone so i can't link scans, you can see them on my OP

 

[Theglassman12]

They're not literal stories, they're timelines sustained by the time scrolls. You have not proven at all that they're metafictional elements at all. If you cannot prove that they're metafictional elements they're controlling then this isn't passing for plot manipulation, which is the bare minimum requirement for it to pass.

 

[Vietthai96]

They're not literal stories, they're timelines sustained by the time scrolls.

Sorry bro, what the scans stated goes against what you said, literally not sustaining, history is written down into the scroll/book as text

You have not proven at all that they're metafictional elements at all. If you cannot prove that they're metafictional elements they're controlling then this isn't passing for plot manipulation, which is the bare minimum requirement for it to pass

This is not the standard from what i seeing on our wiki, as so many profile got the power for being able to manipulating some books. And your counterargument is too sematic and specific which by this logic of your almost no profile get the power because they didn't drop a specific mention of metafiction, and like i said, if there is enough evidences to suggests the power you can get a Possibly rating, it is why Possibly exist