Evil Superman vs. Evil Goku

[C2_of_Omegon]

We thought the battle was over but it's only just begu

Just like any good debate.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Superboy-Prime can warp reality with his punches and shatter space-time.

Here he retcons the DC History by punching hard enough.

More evidence that he is altering reality. "Each strike he takes is rupturing the continuity of life without reason or purpose"

Punches his way out of the Phantom Zone and then retcons Beast Boy's history.

Breaks out of the Speedforce

Punches his way into the 5th dimension

Prime retcons himself

But he still survives his own retcon and keeps his powers.

Literally one punch from Prime and Black ceases to exist.

 

[Huesito88]

I thought his punches effects were random =P

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I...completely forgot about the ol' retcon punch...

 

[Golden_Void]

Has SBP ever punched someone and made them cease to exist?

 

[Kepekley23]

Goku can punch so hard his fist embodies the concepts of PIS and WIS, as seen in the Broly fight.

Toei Punch >>> Retcon Punch.

ovo

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

He punched himself and made himself cease to exist. He also retconned the space-time continuum by punching.

 

[KarmodF]

He punched himself and made himself cease to exist. He also retconned the space-time continuum by punching.

Isnt that more akind to his Low 2-C key?

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Wasn't SBP in a different dimension when he did that? I remember that him, Kal-L, Alex Luthor and Lois Lane were in some weird paradise dimension and were watching the rest of reality from there.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Isn't that a Low 2-C feat?

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

I didn't forget about the Retcon Punch, I just assumed, you know, since Time Paradox Immunity exists on Black's page, that might be irrelevant. But the warping of reality with punches is why I refrained from voting.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's actually more unquantifiable Plot Manipulation I would say. He is retconning the comic.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

>Time Paradox Immunity on Black's page.

Lol what.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Oh, if he's rewriting the plot instead of the past, then Black shouldn't be immune.

 

[Golden_Void]

Via the time ring.

 

[The_Everlasting]

>Time Paradox Immunity on Black's page.
Lol what.

Time Rings make one immune to changes in their timeline. It's the entire reason Black still exists after Beerus killed Zamasu.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Time ring doesn't do that.

 

[TeenAngel101]

Superboy Prime punches Black and makes him cease to exist. Also, it is in fact an ability available in all his keys (He did it in Infinite Crisis, with his 3-C key).

 

[Tyranno223]

Pretty sure he dosen't always retcon viq his punches, otherwise we'd have a lot more non existant flashes and, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't some of these feats somewhat situational, like the time trapper one being due to future self none sense, I don't quite remember

 

[KarmodF]

Isnt Retconing an entire Universe's Space-Time by punching and breaking barriers close to the 5th Dimension are 4 Dimensional/Low 2-C (and above) AP?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It's not 100% situational. He just has to want to do it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Superboy Prime punches Black and makes him cease to exist. Also, it is in fact an ability available in all his keys (He did it in Infinite Crisis, with his 3-C key).

Yes, all versions of Superboy Prime can do it.

 

[TeenAngel101]

Also, the Time Ring prevents him from being affected by Time Paradoxes (I.e. it prevents him from being affected by alterations to his past), it has no affect on him in the present.

 

[Tyranno223]

So is it in character for him to always do it off the bat? Or is it more like lol hakai, also black's profile does have time paradox resistance

 

[Golden_Void]

Time ring doesn't do that.

Beerus erased the Zamasu that = Goku Black, yet Black wasn't erased due to the time ring.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

The Time Ring will not save him from plot rewriting.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Retcon Punches are Plot Manipulation. Superboy Prime is an extremely meta character and his retcons happen because he's an angry comicbook fan who's dissatisfied with the way the plot of his DC Comics progressed and wants to artificially change it back to how it was.

And he can intentionally erase / retcon things, such as when he did it with Beast Boy or himself.

 

[Golden_Void]

The Time Ring will not save him from plot rewriting.

We aren't talking about that.

 

[PaChi2]

This made me choke.

 

[Tyranno223]

But does he always start off with it, because I know he's do it if pissed off enough, but I also remember that he dosen't always punch apart reality such as while fighting the flashes or some alternate universe jla

 

[TeenAngel101]

Basically, Prime hates what Black has done to the world. So to fix it, he gets super mad and retcons Black out of existence with a punch.

 

[Jman8009]

• Anxiouslsy waits for when the shit starts hitting the fan *

 

[LordGinSama]

Unite My Rice for the reasons above.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But does he always start off with it, because I know he's do it if pissed off enough, but I also remember that he dosen't always punch apart reality such as while fighting the flashes or some alternate universe jla

It doesn't matter. He will do it and win. Goku Black isn't much stronger to one-shot and is actually a really cocky guy who himself doesn't go all out.

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

He doesn't always start with it, but it's definitely not unlikely.

Well, I vote for Superboy-Prime, for Matt's reasons.

 

[Tyranno223]

He has some degree of time paradox resistance so that might not even have an effect (not certain though) and even so that's not a stated scenario, this is just Black and Prime fighting to the death in character, ie, whiny edgy evil superboy, vs narcissistic edgy evil goku

 

[Therefir]

Superboy for reasons above.

 

[PaChi2]

Tbh this match is decided by who goes shirtless first, we all know that its a power boost that make any match a stomp ovo

 

[Tyranno223]

I disagree, black is very pragmatic (for a dB character) usually going for the kill of the bat, so if he has his scythe, it's likely he'll just aim for an instant kill, like against vegeta or goku (stabs for days).

 

[Niarobi_(Formerly_Hadou)]

Tyranno, Time Paradox Immunity doesn't stop someone from getting retconned in a manner of plot.