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Well. I get it. But you're talking like Mustard never had an Urshifu before, but from his dialogues, the way he described it already points out at him already experiencing with one.
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Eternatus revision
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Cringe.
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Thats most likely not enough to say Mustard had an urshifu, he could have learnt about it somehow. It would be pretty weird for him to have a ****** backup Urshifu just sitting in his store room or something
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Literally part of his training revolves around Urshifu... Saying that against the Player it was the first time having an Urshifu requires evidence.
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What training, and can you show me these? And Mustard's statement about it being able to shatter any blade obviously makes it stronger than Eternatus
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i think mustard having an urshifu prior to that requires some evidence as well
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There are literally training grounds for Kubfu... Why would Mustard have these if he never had one before.
And mind you that these are what makes Urshifu evolve. And you're saying he never had one before? C'mon.
And mind you that these are what makes Urshifu evolve. And you're saying he never had one before? C'mon.
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Still doesn't prove he had an Urshifu back then, or more Kubfu. He could just be training Kubfu a lot
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Then what he was doing with those training grounds? Playing soccer in them? Dude, be serious already, it's blatantly obvious he had an Urshifu before, and when he shows Kubfu to us, he talks like he had already more of them in the past. How would he know that Kubfu evolves in one of those towers in a different form without never doing that before? Lmao.
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He could just be knowledgeable on Urshifu? Do you think knowing a lot about a Pokemon means you have it?
And there's also the Mustard statement of Urshifu> Zacian
And there's also the Mustard statement of Urshifu> Zacian
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Both statements seem iffy to be, whether he had an urshifu before or not.
Mustard's is vague, and Leon's could just be showboating.
I mean he said it in front of a live stadium audience. He also calls you "the greatest challenger", it seems like he's hyping things up.
I don't feel comfortable scaling to Urshifu regardless if these two dubious statements are literally our only evidence.
Also, he could be referring only to their Eternamax form.
Mustard's is vague, and Leon's could just be showboating.
I mean he said it in front of a live stadium audience. He also calls you "the greatest challenger", it seems like he's hyping things up.
I don't feel comfortable scaling to Urshifu regardless if these two dubious statements are literally our only evidence.
Also, he could be referring only to their Eternamax form.
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Mustard's is not that vague, you can't tell me Zacian isn't included
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either way i feel like some things are just vague here. The main problem is, we're trying to base it on Leon's statement which was made in the middle of a random remark. It's not like he suddenly sat down and explained to us how Eternatus is the most powerful character ever. There's also the lack of a japanese variant that we could try and translate.
There's also no evidence of Leon ever seeing an Urshifu especially considering he never got to train one despite being trained by mustard. It all just feels too vague.
There's also no evidence of Leon ever seeing an Urshifu especially considering he never got to train one despite being trained by mustard. It all just feels too vague.
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He literally describes Kubfu as the island's secret armor and is the guy who gives Kubfu to us, other than being still the guy which leads to us to the tower trainings for Kubfu. And he already had a Kubfu himself, meaning he already had Urshifus before that Kubfu, if he knows that much stuff on how to train them.
Just saying "stronger than any sword" isn't enough. No one knew about Zacian and Zamazenta before SWSH events to say one. Aegislash is also a thing in Galar too, I remember this.
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Well, he might just not be talking literally here.
He might not know enough about Zacian either.
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i can actually, unless you provide evidence for Mustard having seen Zacian or Zamazenta before.
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How does already having Kubfu mean he had Urshifus before that? And I told you, knowing a lot about them isn't enough to mean he has them
Mustard fights the protagonist who has a Zacian. There's also Hop, who he knows about.
He fights the protagonist, who canonically has a Zacian
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"An armor that can shatter any sword standing against it" obviously is a metaphor about describing Urshifu's power, not literally comparing it to Zacian. I don't see how this is a proof.
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Anyways here's the deal. Leon has seen both Zacian and Zamazenta beating up Eternatus. Why would he say that he's the strongest?
Also if we're nerfing Eternatus it doesn't matter whether or not is the statement about shattering any sword legit or not as Eternatus would get knocked down to low 6-B to 6-B and Urshifu would stay at High 6-A
Also if we're nerfing Eternatus it doesn't matter whether or not is the statement about shattering any sword legit or not as Eternatus would get knocked down to low 6-B to 6-B and Urshifu would stay at High 6-A
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They needed to beat it only together tho, not singularly.
Also if we exclude the Urshifu stuff, they would still be High 6-A due to the Darkest Day being a thing, and that includes the two Galar Regis.
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But if we don't use Leon statement wouldn't Eternatus be downgraded ? Not like I disagree he literally got harmed by a lot of tier 7 pokemons even "the Darkest day" (literally his best feat ) was calculated as High 7-A
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Why is it a metaphor when Mustard was sure of it? You think "any blade" is a coincidence?
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Darkest day doesnt have high 6-A calcs I think, and nothing to imply Eternatus scales to the regis
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I mean, armors being unbreakable to any sword is a common metaphor, and Zacian already had a shield counterpart lol.
Can you not? We have a rule against this.
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What are you talking about?
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What common metaphor is this? TF does Zacian having a shield counterpart have to do with anything?
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true, what does it have to do with regis? Did i miss something?
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I talk about the Darkest Day because at the moment it was implied that online Zacian and Zamazenta were able to stop it at Galar. That would include the Regis too.
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Because now just describing Urshifu as an unbreakable armor against any sword somehow leading to Zacian when Mustard was just hyping up Urshifu definitely seems a reach to me.
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feels like a very unbased assumption. Here's a better answer, the Regis simply didn't give a shit. They've only shown to care when Groudon and Kyogre came around but that isn't even related to anything here.
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Include the Regis in what?
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There is literally no real evidence that the Regis were included like at all
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Weren't The Regis sealed?
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Because they're the Hoenn ones, not the Galarian lol.
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yeah pretty sure they were
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Arceus didn't stop the Darkest Day either. Mewtwo didn't stop the meteor
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Was asked to comment here.
I don’t really have much to add to this beyond what was already added, and being honest, Eternatus’s scaling isn’t exactly my expertise. His tier is a little all over the place for me.
However, in response to the point on people thinking Leon wouldn’t know about Urishifu when making that statement about Eternatus, I think it’s absolutely ridiculous and sort of a huge reach. Mustard has obviously had an Urishifu before if the guy is literally going to have well developed and established training grounds and towers for Kubfu’s own evolutionary forms.
I don’t really have much to add to this beyond what was already added, and being honest, Eternatus’s scaling isn’t exactly my expertise. His tier is a little all over the place for me.
However, in response to the point on people thinking Leon wouldn’t know about Urishifu when making that statement about Eternatus, I think it’s absolutely ridiculous and sort of a huge reach. Mustard has obviously had an Urishifu before if the guy is literally going to have well developed and established training grounds and towers for Kubfu’s own evolutionary forms.
