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Eren Yeager vs Izuku Midoriya

Eren’s AP: Higher than .67 tons, higher than 72.86 tons with Hardening and crystal generation.

Deku’s AP: Higher than .73 tons, higher than 11 tons durability.
 
The Armored Titan’s durability got a massive upgrade after it was capable of surviving Armin’s transformation from a distance. Logically, that would also mean that Eren’s hardening and crystallization powers after eating the War Hammer Titan would be upgraded as well. This upgrade hasn’t happened yet, so technically by the profile page, Eren’s AP with hardening and crystallization would be 16 tons instead.

Regardless, I’d say Deku will have a tough time with an opponent like this. Eren can use his crystal generation to keep Deku at a distance, can regenerate from any damage Deku could inflict upon him, and doesn’t really have many weak spots. Eren doesn’t feel any pain in his Titan form, so that’s another bonus. Even if Deku somehow managed to reach Eren’s body, he still has the ability to transform twice more.

Deku’s Danger Sense could be helpful in avoiding Eren’s attacks, not to mention it would be easier for Deku to avoid Eren’s attacks due to his small size in comparison to Eren. He also has great mobility, probably nearly equal to the 3D maneuver gear, and can use Smokescreen to his advantage as well. Blackwhip won’t really be helpful here besides mobility, though Fa Jin could be useful in dealing some more heavy blows.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
The Armored Titan’s durability got a massive upgrade after it was capable of surviving Armin’s transformation from a distance.
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It should still scale to the 8-B+ if I’m not wrong about scaling. The feats even on Reiners page. It’s just worded poorly on Erens.

Edit: On the page it says that Eren scales to the Armoreds dura with hardening via being able to damage it and break it’s armor.
 
I age 10 years for every “base villain hunt Deku” match.

Anyway, Deku avoids everything Eren has with so much ease it’s quite laughable. Nothing Eren has can even somewhat touch Deku while he’s Floating and using Danger Sense, while also predicting the trajectories of his attacks. His creation ability is just a bootleg, slower version of Overhaul’s spike attacks and his combat ability is meaningless due to the size difference and Deku’s intelligence.

The only things going for Eren are his regen and hardening, because Deku can’t get through the hardening and if he does Eren will regen the damage. So his best bet is faking Eren out with Fa Jin and Smokescreen to strike at his non hardened parts several times to try and see if he can KO him.

Deku will eventually attack the back of the neck and find Eren or at least notice Eren puts more effort to defending that area than other areas. So then it’s just either wearing Eren down over an incredibly long combat or getting lucky with Fa Jin to tunnel into the neck and knock Eren out before he transforms again.

Ultimately, Eren really can’t do much against a flying, precog having, speed amping opponent hiding in smoke that’s much smarter than he is.
 
Did you just put Eren against an infinitely better Levi... Dear Lord man.
Deku FRA if Danger Sense + Analytical Prediction + Smokescreen doesn't make Deku completely untouchable and turn the match into a stomp
 
Can’t Eren more easily dispel the smoke with his large body, like generate large shockwaves through a clap? Or at least with his large body, he could more easily move to another area in the city without smoke.

Eren also has the home field advantage, so he could maneuver Deku into an area where his movements are limited. And again, if Eren gets a hit on Deku with his hardened fists, Deku’s basically done for. I wouldn’t really say this is a stomp match, even if Deku has more wincons.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Eren also has the home field advantage, so he could maneuver Deku into an area where his movements are limited.
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Deku's true flight wouldn't let him do that. And even if he did, he could make Eren back off with his own shockwaves.
CiscoTheSoto said:
Can’t Eren more easily dispel the smoke with his large body, like generate large shockwaves through a clap?
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With his own steam or smth yeah probably, but Smokescreen's really not as important compared to how slippery Deku is and how he could read Eren like an open book with the skill advantage and precog
CiscoTheSoto said:
And again, if Eren gets a hit on Deku with his hardened fists, Deku’s basically done for.
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Fair enough
 
GoldExPoints said:
Eren like an open book with the skill advantage and precog
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Wait, why does Deku have the skill advantage again? Eren is a trained soldier who has been taught many forms of martial arts and was top of his class in the survey corps. He’s been fighting for years and can fight against Marleyan shifters, soldiers trained as children specifically for combat, especially with their pre determined titans
 
Arcker123 said:
who has been taught many forms of martial arts
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So has Deku, being trained by heroes with decades of experience like All Might, Gran Torino, and Endeavor on top of constantly observing and absorbing the fighting styles of those around him into his own fighting style.
Arcker123 said:
He’s been fighting for years and can fight against Marleyan shifters, soldiers trained as children specifically for combat, especially with their pre determined titans
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And so has Deku, being able to outskill elites with a wide variety of fighting styles and years to decades of experience like Lady Nagant (a sniper), Stain (a swordsman), and Overhaul (the dude with the closest fighting style to Eren, as pointed out by King above).
 
GoldExPoints said:
So has Deku, being trained by heroes with decades of experience like All Might, Gran Torino, and Endeavor on top of constantly observing and absorbing the fighting styles of those around him into his own fighting style.
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Eren is actively beating and outskilling these highly trained soldiers. That’s more impressive than being trained. Marley soldiers should also have more formal training as well as experience.

Eren was also trained by the Marley soldiers (Annie and Reiner) which is a comparable feat.
GoldExPoints said:
And so has Deku, being able to outskill elites with a wide variety of fighting styles and years to decades of experience like Lady Nagant (a sniper), Stain (a swordsman), and Overhaul (the dude with the closest fighting style to Eren, as pointed out by King above).
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This isn’t actually elite per say, they just have Experience. Still skill, don’t get me wrong, but not as good as Erens. Marley soldiers and Eren have more skill than this because not only do they have experience, they also have formal martial arts and combat training from a military.
 
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Arcker123 said:
This isn’t actually elite per say, they just have Experience. Still skill, don’t get me wrong, but not as good as Erens. Marley soldiers and Eren have more skill than this because not only do they have experience, they also have formal martial arts
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While I do agree that experience is not the end all be all with skill, that's a weird equivalence to make. To take an example from another shonen, Luffy had absolutely 0 formal training in martial arts but he constantly scales above masters of their martial arts like Jinbei in terms of skill.
Arcker123 said:
Eren is actively beating and outskilling these highly trained soldiers. That’s more impressive than being trained. Marley soldiers should also have more formal training as well as experience.
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Deku's had experience fighting people who have been under constant, life threatening training that gives them the skill to have no windup to their attacks, yet he could still read them and completely embarrass them. Deku straight up trained to get better at prediction after realizing he had a talent for it, to the point that he could accurately predict the curving shots of a sniper rifle from 3 kilometers away in the dead of night under cover of heavy rain and a thick cloud of smoke.
 
GoldExPoints said:
While I do agree that experience is not the end all be all with skill, that's a weird equivalence to make. To take an example from another shonen, Luffy had absolutely 0 formal training in martial arts but he constantly scales above masters of their martial arts like Jinbei in terms of skill.
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I don’t see why this is important. We’d generally agree that a formally trained experienced person is >>>>> experience alone. If Luffy can do that, it just means that he can fight skilled martial artists. Not applicable to Deku as he hasn’t shown similar skill feats. Eren should still out skill via knowing more martial arts, fighting more experienced people, and being more experienced
GoldExPoints said:
Deku's had experience fighting people who have been under constant, life threatening training that gives them the skill to have no windup to their attacks, yet he could still read them and completely embarrass them.
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The shifters Eren fights and trained with have been fighting in armed conflicts for several years and have been specifically trained since childhood for combat and how to use their titans. That kinda trumps everything You just mentioned for experience. They also have the memories and experience of previous titan shifters and their skill.

Outskilling these guys is frankly more impressive. This is not getting into Erens own mastery of martial arts which should trump anything Deku has for martial skill.
GoldExPoints said:
Deku straight up trained to get better at prediction after realizing he had a talent for it, to the point that he could accurately predict the curving shots of a sniper rifle from 3 kilometers away in the dead of night under cover of heavy rain and a thick cloud of smoke.
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Eh, this is debatably not even skill due to the precog he was using. Precog in Dekus case isn’t skill, it’s an ability. That fact alone dampens the impressiveness of this skill feat. Eren still negs in skill.

Hell, even fodder survey corps in the tower fight in season 2 have similar, if not better feats. They had to fight and kill several 8-C to 8-B titans whilst being physically 9-B (Capable of being one tapped by them) and performed well even at night. Beating opponents, especially in groups, that can oneshot you is incredible skill. Eren should scale above this.

Anyway imma sleep for a couple hours. Then I’ll drop my detailed response to this thread. I kinda been putting this off but I’ll do it. Let’s hope I don’t get FRA train’d before then
 
Arcker123 said:
Eh, this is debatably not even skill due to the precog he was using. Precog in Dekus case isn’t skill, it’s an ability. That fact alone dampens the impressiveness of this skill feat. Eren still negs in skill.
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The bullets were so fast that when Danger Sense triggered it was already too late, so he still did that all on his own with just skill.
Arcker123 said:
Beating opponents, especially in groups, that can oneshot you is incredible skill.
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The titans are mindlessly stupid tho, but I agree that deftly using the ODM on an enemy bigger than you and is stronger than you is pretty impressive. You know who else did something like that? Deku in his rematch against Muscular
 
Arcker123 said:
We’d generally agree that a formally trained experienced person
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Fodder Meta Liberation Army members who said guy massively scales above are already formally trained with major world companies funding them. Lady Nagant went through government issued training since she was a child and was day-in and day-out performing high risk assassinations on corrupt heroes and villains planning wide-scale acts of terrorism shortly after, and she never got caught.
 
GoldExPoints said:
Fodder Meta Liberation Army members who said guy massively scales above are already formally trained with major world companies funding them. Lady Nagant went through government issued training since she was a child and was day-in and day-out performing high risk assassinations on corrupt heroes and villains planning wide-scale acts of terrorism shortly after, and she never got caught.
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And then Deku outsmarts her using smokescreen, the most worthless OFA quirk
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Deku will eventually attack the back of the neck and find Eren or at least notice Eren puts more effort to defending that area than other areas. So then it’s just either wearing Eren down over an incredibly long combat or getting lucky with Fa Jin to tunnel into the neck and knock Eren out before he transforms again.
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Also the neck is just, a generally good place to strike a giant kaiju sized humanoid
 
I couldn’t be bothered to copy paste it into the normal typing 💀

Its actually not much bigger than other posts here.
 
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