MCU Giant Ant Man LS upgrade

[Coolboy6]

This is no longer an AP upgrade since both are kinda around the same tier already based on scaling and shit

Ant Man should be at least class M as he was able to punch a leviathan down more effortlessly than Hulk did when he was punching it, also his size being around the size of a leviathan should make him class M. He was shown to shove one up a portal but according to this guy, it was a vfx error since Scott should’ve been in the Van during that time

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Agreed here.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Seems reasonable I agree

 

[Dalesean027]

Honestly yeah that makes perfect sense I agree

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

It should be noted that Ant Man <<<<< Thanos since the directors for Endgame literally said that if Ant Man would try to get inside Thanos and grow inside him to make him explode or something, Ant Man would actually get crushed instead, so Thanos's durability would be far better than Ant Man's AP

 

[Coolboy6]

It should be noted that Ant Man <<<<< Thanos since the directors for Endgame literally said that if Ant Man would try to get inside Thanos and grow inside him to make him explode or something, Ant Man would actually get crushed instead, so Thanos's durability would be far better than Ant Man's AP

That would be if he was small and was inside Thanos for “some reason.”
Also, what do you think of the LS upgrade?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That would be if he was small and was inside Thanos for “some reason.”
Also, what do you think of the LS upgrade?

Iirc, Giant Ant Man could barely even move and support himself in that state. Like he would've passed out if he didn't shrinked again right at the last moment

 

[Qawsedf234]

iron man who was able to make Thanos bleed a bit.

But like, this is the worst possible example to use here. Imagine going full force on someone with all of your gear after an extended 10-20 minute long fight with multiple other people and the most damage you inflict is a small cut that immediately stops bleeding. That's such a large piece of counter evidence that Giant Man scaling to 6-C makes no sense.

 

[Coolboy6]

But like, this is the worst possible example to use here. Imagine going full force on someone with all of your gear after an extended 10-20 minute long fight with multiple other people and the most damage you inflict is a small cut that immediately stops bleeding. That's such a large piece of counter evidence that Giant Man scaling to 6-C makes no sense.

You uhh gonna agree or disagree instead of complaining about my badly wording explaination?

 

[Qawsedf234]

You uhh gonna agree or disagree

Disagree as my final statement says.

 

[Coolboy6]

Disagree as my final statement says.

Don’t you need a 6x or something advantage to one shot tho? Also what about the LS upgrade?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Don’t you need a 6x or something advantage to one shot tho

That purely for VS threads and not for scaling

Also what about the LS upgrade?

Punching a Leviathan doesn't mean his lifting strength is better.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Don’t you need a 6x or something advantage to one shot tho?

7.5x actually, and this only applies of VS matches and not actual scaling.

 

[Dinobot1996]

I agree with the AP upgrade. I also agree on the lifting strength upgrade considering in addition to knocking one around easily, he also pushed a Leviathan through a portal (in the background here at 0:29) As a note, going by the information presented in this blog, a Leviathan is either 33,097.5097 short tons (based on a calc) or 3 million tons (based on a statement from a Avengers co-writer)

I'm assuming that Ant-Man would need enough space to physically grow to full size completely before he could actually damage Thanos to a meaningful degree. Trying to grow inside someone as durable as Thanos without having enough space probably would turn into a far worse experience for Ant-Man then when he accidently grew in a closet (as seen here at 1:29)

 

[Coolboy6]

I shall now resurrect this thread from the dead

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Lifting strength upgrade seems fine

 

[Excellence616]

i agree even if i don't wanna
punching the leviathan better than Hulk
is like saying Ant-man is stronger than Hulk

 

[Qawsedf234]

Class M for punching something isn't lifting strength. The shoving thing might be Class M but its also a stated continuity error so I don't think it can be used.

 

[Coolboy6]

Class M for punching something isn't lifting strength. The shoving thing might be Class M but it’s also a stated continuity error so I don't think it can be used.

I mean, the fact that the vfx writers showed it at all meant it was planned to be in there somehow. I also feel like Endgame Giant Ant Man’s KE should be calced for some good results. Oh, and he also Stomped on Cull , who is Class M, Possibly Class T so there’s that too I guess since would it really make sense for someone that died by getting stomped on is also capable of lifting more than that person could? Should add that to the OP I suppose

 

[Qawsedf234]

mean, the fact that the vfx writers showed it at all meant it was planned to be in there somehow

Plenty of things have been planned and then scrapped or changed before. If you have a person directly saying "This was a continuity mistake" then it's a continuity mistake.

I guess since would it really make sense for someone that died by getting stomped on is also capable of lifting more than that person could?

Again, that's AP rather than lifting strength. Goku can one shot most of the MCU, but he also gets outlifted by basically everyone as well.

 

[Coolboy6]

Plenty of things have been planned and then scrapped or changed before. If you have a person directly saying "This was a continuity mistake" then it's a continuity mistake.

To be fair, the guy in the video hasn’t worked with Marvel from what I can recall so he isn’t really WoG

Again, that's AP rather than lifting strength. Goku can one shot most of the MCU, but he also gets outlifted by basically everyone as well.

Different verse = different logic

The MCU is set in more of a real world setting while the DBZ universe has more stuff that doesn’t really make much sense

 

[Qawsedf234]

To be fair, the guy in the video hasn’t worked with Marvel from what I can recall so he isn’t really WoG

If that's the case then yeah, him pushing the Leviathan is fine.

Different verse = different logic

Works the same in the 616 comics and the DC universe. If they don't physically match someone they don't scale in Lifting Strength. Just curbstomping a character and killing them in one hit isn't a lifting strength feat.

 

[Coolboy6]

Bump

Since the pushing leviathan in portal deal has been sorted out, I guess it should also be worth calcing Giant Man’s LS based off his size alone

 

[Dalesean027]

Bump

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Agreed