EMIYA vs Emiya?!?!

[Xmark12]

Kind of a sequel to the original Emiya vs Emiya.

Archer EMIYA

vs

Kaleid Emiya

Rules:

• Base Archer EMIYA vs base Kaleid Emiya.

• Archer has Rin as a Master.

• Using Kaleid Emiya's at least 7-B durability, not his High 7-A durability.

• In-character.

• Win by whatever they would do in-character to win.

• The battle takes place in Ryuudou Temple:
  

Music:

Neutral Battle Theme

Archer EMIYA's Battle Theme

Kaleid Emiya's Battle Theme

(Yes, they're all Emiya themes)

Score:

Archer EMIYA: 0

Kaleid Emiya: 2

Inconclusive: 8



Get rekt Shirou


How about no

 

[Gemmysaur]

We don't know how much Mirou can throw around by himself as he's only done that when he's already a cripple. His showings throughout the grail war was when he was high on Miyu juice.

Do we take it as them having as much mana as they need or what?

 

[Xmark12]

Archer gets as much mana as he does with Rin as a Master, and let's say Mirou gets the same amount (That or high on Miyu juice). If that's not fair then let's say they both have infinite mana.

 

[Xmark12]

Bump

 

[Xmark12]

Bump

 

[Wdinatx]

Inconclusive as one is literally a copy of the other.

 

[Xmark12]

0 - 0 - 1

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Yeah, Inconclusive FRA

 

[Xmark12]

0 - 0 - 2.

 

[Xmark12]

Buuump

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Incon FRA from me as well.

 

[Walking_Strawman]

Incon FRA

 

[Hizack123]

Incon fra

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Archer -

Shirou Cosplaying as Archer -

Incon - 5 (Hizak, Stawman, me, Iap, Wdinat)

Lowkey promotion of another one of my Fate battles

 

[Xmark12]

Ayy, this is almost done!

 

[Solacis]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Archer - 0

Shirou - 0

Incon - 6 (Hizak, Strawman, Dargoo, Iap, Wdinat, Sol)

 

[ZERO7772]

Hmm kailed Shirou has infinite mana but EMIYA doesn't, in skills and tracing they should be about equal because Kalied Shirou power comes from Archer himself but just better because Shirou can trace whatever he want and have more stamina

I give it to Shirou if he have Miyu as mana supply and he can spam broken NP as he likes and Kaliked Shirou should be more durable than him, I give it to Shirou if he have Miyu as supply, if not they are equals

 

[Xmark12]

They have equal mana here, so inconclusive?

 

[FDrybob]

Inconclusive FRA; with equal mana they should be almost equal to each other.

 

[Gemmysaur]

This doesn't seem to be going anywhere since I was last here so I may as well drop my bias.

EMIYA

- Killed Herakles 6 times apparently without UBW

- Blocked death flight Gae Bolg with Rho Aias

- Walked off getting impaled by several swords to the back for some time, despite being running on fumes without a master

- Can supposedly trace Excalibur, but it's a stupid move since it'll kill himself as well

- Can fire powerful enough shots that can supposedly make Saber's knees give out

Mirou

- NLBW'd his way through a group of heroic spirits, when even one of those can pressure Illya, and a group can hold down her entire team

- Blocked a hail of arrows from several mud spirits with Rho Aias

- Traced conceptual weapons though only its form, not its power

- While crippled, bleeding out and just got out from imprisonment, shot an arrow strong enough to pierce through Mjolnir's lightning

- Dodged Excalibur point-blank

- Tanked Enuma Elish's physical attack after his Miyu roids was cut

Key points

- EMIYA has never fought Arturia at 100% for some reason (he was caught off-guard by her appearance, he was more intent on shooting Hrunting at Shirou, etc.)

- Prillya's card servants are weaker than their original servant counterparts, mud servants are even weaker

- Despite point #2, the mud servants were still giving tremendous trouble to Illya's team

All things considered, I'm giving this one to Mirou because despite his lacking experience relative to EMIYA, he thinks better under stress, which is a major factor in battle. EMIYA has thinking outside battle down pat though since he did just play chess against everyone and they didn't even know.

Also, his feats like using Overedged to stab an existing KnB through the enemy shield, switching weapons to get in his opponent's guard (e.g. using a **** huge sword to push away Girlgamesh's shields), his tracing conceptual weapons despite being near-crippled, reading into Kuro's movements despite only just meeting her to set up a killshot against Girlgamesh, etc. are what I think is better suited to a versus match, and thus, I side with Mirou.

On another note, did we get confirmation that EMIYA is the one he summoned to the card? Or was it Mumei?

 

[ZERO7772]

EMIYA simply lack the balls to fight Arturia seriously

 

[ZackMoon1234]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[InfiniteBlack123]

The f is Miyu 'juice'?

 

[Xmark12]

Her mana.

Also, grace period.

 

[ZERO7772]

I vote Mirou FRA

 

[Xmark12]

0 - 2 - 8

 

[Fray100]

My vote is for archer EMIYA


because remember all skills and abilities gained from a Class card suffer heavy degradation (rank down) in comparison to their true Servant counterparts.

 

[John985]

That's true for others but for Shirou it's complete install.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Necro of an aready concluded thread

 

[Fray100]

Partly true, Shirou's complete install gave him access to a large amount of EMIYA's powers how ever it's not Shirou that had the Rank down problem but the Class card that he used that had the problem.

And sorry for the Necro missed that the thread was alrady concluded sorry.

 

[FDrybob]

@Fray100 Normally, it's impossible to gain 100% of a heroic spirit's power from their class card due to the fact that the host isn't fully compatible with the heroic spirit. However, since Shirou is the same person as heroic spirit EMIYA, he can access 100% of Archer's power, and even gets to keep it after he stops using the card (for the same reason that UBW Shirou gained some of Archer's abilities during their fight, but to a much higher degree) The only downside to this is that his body seems to be transforming into his future appearance at an increased rate than normal (note his tanning skin and whitening hair). Since Mirou can also imperfectly trace divine contructs on sight, he may even be better at projection than Archer is.

 

[Xmark12]

This is... kiiinda concluded already. It's a tie.

 

[FDrybob]

I knew that. Just wanted to clear up any misconceptions.