Elemental Energy vs. Origami Arts

[GarrixianXD]

Coincidentally, both of those verses were recently upgraded to 4-A through creation feats.

Fontaine Traveller vs. Guard Form Amiya

Speed is equalised and standard battle assumptions are applied.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What does Traveller does when Amiya amps his attacks by like 230% ?

• Chimera: ATK +230%, Max HP +100%, Range expands, damage type changes to Pure; After the skill ends, Amiya will automatically be retreated.

 

[GarrixianXD]

What does Traveller does when Amiya amps his attacks by like 230% ?

Pretty sure that's game mechanics; we have lots of in-game ability descriptions listed in the notable attacks/techniques section. And even with that aside, a one-shot requires a 7.5x gap the last time I checked so a 2.3x difference in AP won't be extremely lethal.

 

[VoidGoji]

If you use game mechanics, Genshin attacks also have >100% ap scaling/multipliers. So yeah, thats not combat-applicable/actually canon to either games

 

[TegamiBachi25]

So... what's stopping from Amiya downloading all of Traveler's skill plus dura neg with her Arts and power null everything Traveler has?

 

[GarrixianXD]

So... what's stopping from Amiya downloading all of Traveler's skill plus dura neg with her Arts and power null everything Traveler has?

Amiya's power mimicry comes from her copying Ch'en sword techniques and skills, which honestly isn't actually Power Mimicry to me. Even with that aside, Power Mimicry limits the user to only copy the type/area of power they are shown to mimic. Iirc, Traveller doesn't have resistance to power null so there's that.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Amiya's power mimicry comes from her copying Ch'en sword techniques and skills, which honestly isn't actually Power Mimicry to me. Even with that aside, Power Mimicry limits the user to only copy the type/area of power they are shown to mimic. Iirc, Traveller doesn't have resistance to power null so there's that.

Amiya can copy the Traveler's swordsmanship skills and experience, not element, is what I'm getting at here. Of course Amiya can't use Genshin Element. Traveler might just skillstomp Amiya but Amiya could just copy all traveler's experiences up until Fontaine, plus Amiya power null pretty much negates most of what Traveler attempts to do. Also, Amiya just needs one touch with her Arts to literally kill Traveler, and considering her Arts was stated to bypass Forcefields and any defenses, the traveler's forcefield is going to be useless. Their only option is to evade it.

Amiya could just also mindhax with whatever illusion, and the traveler doesn't resist it either.

It honestly feels like a stomp. Either Traveler stomps Amiya in CQC or uses Anemo Manipulation or any element, Amiya cancels it out with power null. Traveler doesn't even know Amiya's Arts either can one tap them out of existence or instantly kill them either. If Amiya can download the Traveler's skill, then Amiya has their skill along with Arts dura neg properties.

I think we need more supporters from both sides

 

[GarrixianXD]

Well, if both sides have wincons then it shouldn't be a stomp. Traveller has far more methods to take Amiya down other than outskilling in CQC, especially if she doesn't resist type 2 info.

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[AlipheeseXIV]

Well, if both sides have wincons then it shouldn't be a stomp. Traveller has far more methods to take Amiya down other than outskilling in CQC, especially if she doesn't resist type 2 info.

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Forget that the profile for Amiya is outdated otherwise this would be a stomp, what type 2 info? There's nothing on Traveler's profile that shows they have type 2 info manip, even then Amiya does have resistance to it. Traveler has no resistance to mind reading or dura neg. The real question is what can Aether/Lumine do if their memories/emotions are read and Amiya locks them in their own memory? They can't resist that

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Btw % in skill description can be used. But flat value isn't a good indication.


To argue properly. Most skills and abilities in genshin are often used to have firepower
And in Arknight it shown mostly by finally utilizing their full weaponry or abilities which scales higher than they normally do even on scripted fights.

And iirc in a Honkai impact 3rd crt. Skills or passives having % increase in description counts as Damage Boost

So yes both side can use their %.
Tanking those though would need more scrutiny due to how we have no good indication to how damaging it is outside health bars which is where it starts being a flat value so no scalable (unless scripted fight)

So genshin and Arknight % amp from their skills and ultimate would scale on their base statistic that is shown.

The only time it won't take effect is if said special skill is what makes them in that tier.

Anyway what can Traveller do against Amiya's dura neg from pure attack

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Forget that the profile for Amiya is outdated otherwise this would be a stomp, what type 2 info? There's nothing on Traveler's profile that shows they have type 2 info manip, even then Amiya does have resistance to it. Traveler has no resistance to mind reading or dura neg. The real question is what can Aether/Lumine do if their memories/emotions are read and Amiya locks them in their own memory? They can't resist that

This. As of CP14 of Arknights' main story, Amiya got quite a few new things that could turn the match to her favor. Although, rn, Amiya's profile is only upto her CH13 stuff since CH14 is one wordy mothertrucker of a thing to read (as per the usual for AK) and Alipheese plans to a CRT that aims to expand on originium arts, IIRC.

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Anyways... Does the Traveler outskill Amiya?

I would say they are probs even due to their own individual skill scaling (Childe for the former and Ch'en for the latter), but I am not too well-versed in the topic of skill debating, so i'mma drop this.

Anyways. What are the first moves? Traveler is a gacha character, so idk about what they would do. For Amiya, she'll likely use a mix of energy blasts and her swordsmanship; her energy blast can also inflict pain manip, which the Traveler doesn't have a resistance to and can throw them off. That's all at the top of my head.

 

[Bummel]

This. As of CP14 of Arknights' main story, Amiya got quite a few new things that could turn the match to her favor. Although, rn, Amiya's profile is only upto her CH13 stuff since CH14 is one wordy mothertrucker of a thing to read (as per the usual for AK) and Alipheese plans to a CRT that aims to expand on originium arts, IIRC.

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Anyways... Does the Traveler outskill Amiya?

I would say they are probs even due to their own individual skill scaling (Childe for the former and Ch'en for the latter), but I am not too well-versed in the topic of skill debating, so i'mma drop this.

Anyways. What are the first moves? Traveler is a gacha character, so idk about what they would do. For Amiya, she'll likely use a mix of energy blasts and her swordsmanship; her energy blast can also inflict pain manip, which the Traveler doesn't have a resistance to and can throw them off. That's all at the top of my head.

Even up to ch 13 amiya missing some of her hax

 

[DivinumAeterna]

Sorry, Amiya deletes Traveler just like this while they're busy peashooting water balls at her

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Jokes aside going with the standard battle assumptions that also means Traveler is pulling up with a dull blade, and that also means Wrathful Cerulean Flame will power null all of Traveler's powers, which they also do not resist

 

[GarrixianXD]

Forget that the profile for Amiya is outdated otherwise this would be a stomp, what type 2 info? There's nothing on Traveler's profile that shows they have type 2 info manip, even then Amiya does have resistance to it. Traveler has no resistance to mind reading or dura neg. The real question is what can Aether/Lumine do if their memories/emotions are read and Amiya locks them in their own memory? They can't resist that

Elemental Manipulation (Fundamental Mechanisms and Ley Lines Manipulation)

Elemental Manipulation (Genshin Impact)

Elemental Power are known as the fundamental building blocks of the Genshin Impact Universe, that spreads across all three realms of the Universe; the Human Realm, Light Realm and the Void Realm (The Abyss). It is the cause and manifestation of all phenomenas that occurs throughout the Universe...

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The name is rather deceiving, sorry.

Anyway what can Traveller do against Amiya's dura neg from pure attack

Probably nothing.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Anyways. What are the first moves? Traveler is a gacha character, so idk about what they would do. For Amiya, she'll likely use a mix of energy blasts and her swordsmanship; her energy blast can also inflict pain manip, which the Traveler doesn't have a resistance to and can throw them off. That's all at the top of my head.

In-character, he almost seems to start with his dull blade, until he uses his elemental powers when necessary, which carry transmutation and deconstructing effects.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

In-character, he almost seems to start with his dull blade, until he uses his elemental powers when necessary, which carry transmutation and deconstructing effects.

Yikes, Amiya can't do much against that. Is that limited to specific type of "attacks" or does that apply to all of the Traveler's attacks w/EP? I'll assume the latter for now. BTW, what's the starting distance? Is it CQC range since both of 'em have swords or smth else? IDK, I figured I might as well ask.

As you can see, I am not good at this type of stuff, lol. Can't figure out any more battle-related questions for now.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Yikes, Amiya can't do much against that. Is that limited to specific type of "attacks" or does that apply to all of the Traveler's attacks w/EP? I'll assume the latter for now. BTW, what's the starting distance? Is it CQC range since both of 'em have swords or smth else? IDK, I figured I might as well ask.

As you can see, I am not good at this type of stuff, lol. Can't figure out any more battle-related questions for now.

It's a standard effect of elemental power so it applies to all of his elemental abilities. SBA starts with a range of 10-20 metres here as it seems.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Probably nothing.

So I guess it all comes down to who pulls up their skills first.

if 20m is the starting distance they might have arts vs elemental energy exchange which likely wouldn't land before they go cqc.


btw how fast is the elemental energy transmutation and deconstruction effect?

 

[GarrixianXD]

btw how fast is the elemental energy transmutation and deconstruction effect?

Pretty slow; 10 seconds at minimum.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Amiya reads Traveler's mind knows everything they've ever done and will do and then proceeds to hard counter them in every aspect imaginable, what exactly can they do here? Because it doesn't matter whether their attacks have type 2 info, deconstruction, transmutation etc their speed is equalized and they have no way to enhance speed to the point of blitzing so how exactly are they doing anything?

 

[rogueprestonian]

Amiya has more win cons imo, she has Skill Mimicry and Mind Reading through Civilight Eterna so she could copy Traveller’s skills match their CQC. And her Arts are an instant dura neg oneshot.
Obviously, traveller also has their elements as a potential oneshot technique too but I feel Dura-neg arts+skill mimicry+mind reading gives Amiya the slight edge.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bumping for interest

 

[GarrixianXD]

If all of Amiya's attacks automatically ignores durability in every aspects then Traveller is practically cooked, as he almost always goes with physical strikes first in-character. Though, how does Amiya dura neg even work, is it instant?

 

[rogueprestonian]

If all of Amiya's attacks automatically ignores durability in every aspects then Traveller is practically cooked, as he almost always goes with physical strikes first in-character. Though, how does Amiya dura neg even work, is it instant?

Amiya converts her Art’s into pure/true damage which ignores all conventional durability with her Chimera skill.
In her guard form, her blade Yang-Xiao is her condensed arts converted to true damage.

Yang-Xiao alongside its original prototype that Amiya copied Chi-Xiao from Chen is also built to cut formless energy constructs like Talulah’s energy flame through its skill Shadowless. This skill is also able to cut through the soul as it seperates Talulah from the Deathless Black Snake that was puppeteering her actions with its soul .
So i will assume it is instant.

 

[Bummel]

Amiya dura neg come from originium arts

 

[Peppersalt43]

Uh, bump

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Genshin lost their 4-A is this match still viable?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Probably not then

 

[TegamiBachi25]

This can be closed then