Eggman (Classic) vs Mega Man (Classic)

[LaserPrecision]

• Mega Man's "Post-Stardroid Invasion" key will be used
• Mega Man will have access to all weapons
• Eggman's "Classic" key will be used
• Eggman will be transported into Mega Man's world with only his Egg Mobile
• Eggman has a day of preparation for Mega Man, before being pursued

Eggman: 0
Mega Man: 0
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Peptocoptr27]

I assume speed is equalized. It's hard to know what Eggman would do with 1 day of prep in Mega Man's world. My best guess is that he would research his opponent and ensure that his Egg Mobile has as many weapons as possible to counter Mega Man's versatility. What's the AP gap between Eggman and Mega Man with the Double Rock Buster/Super Adapter? Mega Man gets one-shot without them, but he has 9 bodies to continue the fight in if he dies. His self perception manipulation also ensures that he can dodge more easily. He can even use Shadow Blade to shut down Eggman's tech, which would force him to use a jamming signal to undo it, leaving him vulnerable. The Classic Egg Mobile is extremely limited in terms of hax, so it's not looking good for Eggman so far. No rings, no item boxes, no other tech unless he decides to aquire it with a day of prep...

 

[Nierre]

my goat MM should whoop but following

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

What's the AP gap between Eggman and Mega Man with the Double Rock Buster/Super Adapter?

Double Rock Buster seems to be 10x this (114.2 Ronnatons) from what I can gather. And Super Adaptor upscales from that. And Classic Egg tech scales to being able to bust Sonic's Earth (160.6 Ronnatons). A roughly 1.4x times difference in Eggy's favor. I will note that Megaman needs Super Adaptor to not be oneshot by Eggman's AP, going off his dura section

 

[LaserPrecision]

I assume speed is equalized. It's hard to know what Eggman would do with 1 day of prep in Mega Man's world. My best guess is that he would research his opponent and ensure that his Egg Mobile has as many weapons as possible to counter Mega Man's versatility. What's the AP gap between Eggman and Mega Man with the Double Rock Buster/Super Adapter? Mega Man gets one-shot without them, but he has 9 bodies to continue the fight in if he dies. His self perception manipulation also ensures that he can dodge more easily. He can even use Shadow Blade to shut down Eggman's tech, which would force him to use a jamming signal to undo it, leaving him vulnerable. The Classic Egg Mobile is extremely limited in terms of hax, so it's not looking good for Eggman so far. No rings, no item boxes, no other tech unless he decides to aquire it with a day of prep...

Imo, speed doesn't need to be equalized. Eggman can create tech up to Infinite in speed, and pilot it (Look at Klepto Mobile which is linked on his profile). He'd simply create stuff on Mega Man's level and pilot it. I assume his reactions scale to whatever he is piloting, otherwise I'm not very sure of how he'd keep up with Super Sonic in that fight. Obviously he won't be making Infinite speed tech here, but he will be creating tech (Vehicles, and Badniks) on Mega Man's level within a day.

As a frame of reference, Eggman has been able to mass produce robots on a island wide scale in less than a day (Sonic 1, 2, 3&K especially, & Chaotix), and has even taken over a planet in less than a day (Little Planet, which was also completely mechanized and chained to a mountain on top of that), and created Metal Sonic in that same timeframe. In 3&K, Eggman created Mecha Sonic Mk. 2 in a few hours tops (Mecha was created during the "& Knuckles" half of the game after his attempt to relaunch the Death Egg was foiled. Every level occurred during the day time) on top of still having an army capable of opposing Sonic in each Zone (Including Eggrobo boss-fights). I think it's also possible Eggman could hack a large amount of robotic forces from Dr. Wily or something to recruit to his army if need be.

So my guess is Eggman amasses a large army consisting of Badniks, Ships, Metal Sonic's (Possibly), and imo "Metal" Mega Man('s). My guess is he will also set traps to capture and disarm Mega Man with a day to research him. Also, with the mention of hacking, might it not be worth mentioning Eggman could unironically hack Mega Man? He is a robot. While it is true he has a resistance, Eggman does have feats of outhacking other supergenius' hacking (Tails) as well as defenses that are hard to breach by said other supergenius + Eggman's intelligence is greater than Dr. Light and Wily's (Bare in mind, Modern Eggman said Classic is = to him in intelligence. Just less experience).

I don't think he'd open up with hacking. But I think he'd try to as a last resort if things were going bad. Also worth noting Eggman has fusionism via the Egg Mobile which can merge with and control technology it merges with, so that's a possible way to control Mega Man if he's losing badly.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Double Rock Buster seems to be 10x this (114.2 Ronnatons) from what I can gather. And Super Adaptor upscales from that. And Classic Egg tech scales to being able to bust Sonic's Earth (160.6 Ronnatons). A roughly 1.4x times difference in Eggy's favor. I will note that Megaman needs Super Adaptor to not be oneshot by Eggman's AP, going off his dura section

If the match doesn't work this way, I could also allow Mega Man access to all of his optional equipment as well (Some of which include damage reduction stuff).

 

[Peptocoptr27]

Imo, speed doesn't need to be equalized. Eggman can create tech up to Infinite in speed, and pilot it (Look at Klepto Mobile which is linked on his profile). He'd simply create stuff on Mega Man's level and pilot it. I assume his reactions scale to whatever he is piloting, otherwise I'm not very sure of how he'd keep up with Super Sonic in that fight. Obviously he won't be making Infinite speed tech here, but he will be creating tech (Vehicles, and Badniks) on Mega Man's level within a day.

As a frame of reference, Eggman has been able to mass produce robots on a island wide scale in less than a day (Sonic 1, 2, 3&K especially, & Chaotix), and has even taken over a planet in less than a day (Little Planet, which was also completely mechanized and chained to a mountain on top of that), and created Metal Sonic in that same timeframe. In 3&K, Eggman created Mecha Sonic Mk. 2 in a few hours tops (Mecha was created during the "& Knuckles" half of the game after his attempt to relaunch the Death Egg was foiled. Every level occurred during the day time) on top of still having an army capable of opposing Sonic in each Zone (Including Eggrobo boss-fights). I think it's also possible Eggman could hack a large amount of robotic forces from Dr. Wily or something to recruit to his army if need be.

So my guess is Eggman amasses a large army consisting of Badniks, Ships, Metal Sonic's (Possibly), and imo "Metal" Mega Man('s). My guess is he will also set traps to capture and disarm Mega Man with a day to research him. Also, with the mention of hacking, might it not be worth mentioning Eggman could unironically hack Mega Man? He is a robot. While it is true he has a resistance, Eggman does have feats of outhacking other supergenius' hacking (Tails) as well as defenses that are hard to breach by said other supergenius + Eggman's intelligence is greater than Dr. Light and Wily's (Bare in mind, Modern Eggman said Classic is = to him in intelligence. Just less experience).

I don't think he'd open up with hacking. But I think he'd try to as a last resort if things were going bad. Also worth noting Eggman has fusionism via the Egg Mobile which can merge with and control technology it merges with, so that's a possible way to control Mega Man if he's losing badly.

The problem is that Eggman's most impressive prep feats were ultimately on his home planet where his bases and mass producing machines are. The fact that his victory hinges on such prep feats even though he's in a completely different universe is still pretty bad for him don't you think?

 

[LaserPrecision]

The problem is that Eggman's most impressive prep feats were ultimately on his home planet where his bases and mass producing machines are. The fact that his victory hinges on such prep feats even though he's in a completely different universe is still pretty bad for him don't you think?

My assertion was basically saying that within a day, he is able to mass produce an army, even without being on his home planet. He had to build those bases and mass producing machines himself after all. And even if we didn't want to give him that, with a day of preparation, Eggman would have no issue hijacking mass producing companies within Mega Man's world imo. Both through brute force, and just by hacking. Take 3&K for instance. Eggman was able to produce an entire army in a very short period of time, and that was after his main base (Death Egg) had been destroyed and crash-landed in the previous game. And yet while on an unfamiliar floating island, he was able to assemble both an army, but also powerful robots like Mecha Sonic Mk. II.

I see him hijacking a production factory somewhere safe. Forcing the workers to operate under his control (If need be, he can seal them and use them to power Badniks), and then from there mass produce an army, and focus more effort into more power technology like Metal Sonic, Mecha Sonic, a "Mecha" Mega Man, stuff of that sort.

If he for some reason is unable to do that, I can see him building a small production line to quickly scale up. If Tails can build a TV out of paper clips, I'm very certain Eggman can make do with an advanced planet's worth of material. Produce minions, that then help build more minions, and so on until he amasses an army. Granted I think him taking over a production line is more in-line with what Eggman would do. And with his Egg Mobile having fusionism that just lets him merge with technology that isn't his own (Including ancient rock like statues, and literally scrap metal junk), It wouldn't be too hard to just steal other people's stuff imo.

If somehow Eggman pulling this off doesn't feel feasible (I think it's well within his capabilities), I could allow him to have his Badniks which are standard equipment that I restricted to make things more interesting. And I imagine that would just speed up the aforementioned process.

 

[Peptocoptr27]

My assertion was basically saying that within a day, he is able to mass produce an army, even without being on his home planet. He had to build those bases and mass producing machines himself after all. And even if we didn't want to give him that, with a day of preparation, Eggman would have no issue hijacking mass producing companies within Mega Man's world imo. Both through brute force, and just by hacking. Take 3&K for instance. Eggman was able to produce an entire army in a very short period of time, and that was after his main base (Death Egg) had been destroyed and crash-landed in the previous game. And yet while on an unfamiliar floating island, he was able to assemble both an army, but also powerful robots like Mecha Sonic Mk. II.

I see him hijacking a production factory somewhere safe. Forcing the workers to operate under his control (If need be, he can seal them and use them to power Badniks), and then from there mass produce an army, and focus more effort into more power technology like Metal Sonic, Mecha Sonic, a "Mecha" Mega Man, stuff of that sort.

If he for some reason is unable to do that, I can see him building a small production line to quickly scale up. If Tails can build a TV out of paper clips, I'm very certain Eggman can make do with an advanced planet's worth of material. Produce minions, that then help build more minions, and so on until he amasses an army. Granted I think him taking over a production line is more in-line with what Eggman would do. And with his Egg Mobile having fusionism that just lets him merge with technology that isn't his own (Including ancient rock like statues, and literally scrap metal junk), It wouldn't be too hard to just steal other people's stuff imo.

If somehow Eggman pulling this off doesn't feel feasible (I think it's well within his capabilities), I could allow him to have his Badniks which are standard equipment that I restricted to make things more interesting. And I imagine that would just speed up the aforementioned process.

Good points. Depending on how far we want to take this logic, Eggman might even stomp... This is tough

 

[LaserPrecision]

Good points. Depending on how far we want to take this logic, Eggman might even stomp... This is tough

It is a bit tough yeah. There's a lot of possibilities due to the one day timeframe to "recuperate". If it turns out being one-sided, I could just give Mega Man optional equipment to. Some of the stuff in there halves the damage taken or heal him IIRC.

 

[LaserPrecision]

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[Peptocoptr27]

Sorry Laser. Sonic supporters are busy applying MANY important revisions. You can call some Mega Man supporters in the meantime

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sorry Laser. Sonic supporters are busy applying MANY important revisions. You can call some Mega Man supporters in the meantime

Tis fine. I wasn't sure where to reach out to Mega Man supporters though. I tried to look for a discussion thread, but no such luck. Could be I'm just bad at looking though.

 

[LaserPrecision]

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