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Edelweiss vs Kars

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Yeah, I'm gonna call mad bullshit on that. Kars can literally turn his mind off and has insane resistances to both mind and soul hax. Death hax is not affecting him whatsoever. Making him run away is the last thing Edel wants him to do since he can just hop into another universe and spam tons of other Kars all with his abilities at her.

Edel has no answer to pardoxing, rewinding time, time stop, speed amping all the way to infinity, power stealing, etc.
 
Kars has multiple powers that bring him back from dying including Rewinding Time and summoning Kars from another world that will gain all the powers and knowledge of the dead Kars and can do so infinitely so eventually hed adapt.

(Both of which will passively activate upon death)

"Hmm he will adapt to seeing his own death? Lol, gonna to see some examples of him doing stuff like that."

Kars has an easy solution to this and its turning off his mind and fighting which he can do no problem iirc.
 
also what stopping kars to amped his speed with MiH and paradox'd her or turning her into bomb or steal her power with Whitesnake?
 
Kars can't understand Type 4 Acasality, but Type 4 doesn't stop your powers from being nulled/copied unless you have feats for that.

Type 4 doesn't stop getting paradoxed, that's Type 1 (and I guess 5)
 
Yeah, Kars can casually blitz her with MiH. And she can't bypass Mid-High in any way. Also one touch from Killer Queen - fokin ded.
 
Kars doesn't conventionally paradox. He just takes another version of you from an alternate reality and makes you touch them. The resulting action causes both of you to cease existing, effectively EE.
 
Ok so getting on to the actual fight. Since im on my laptop finally.

1. Time based abilities don't work on Edelweiss. Kurono Shinguuji's time based abilities are still considered causality (cus they are) which are a thing Edel transcends.

2. "Takes another edel", you mean somehow getting past the passives?

3. "Has no way around Mid High". Fate hax, causality hax etc. She makes you experience the end of your fate. If you say "idc if i die here" (which someone would have to show me, i mean having Kars literally say "i don't care if i die in this fight"), then the result materializes.
 
Congrats, except going back in time isn't affecting Edel, it's affecting Kars. He can go back in time over and over again as long as BtD exists.

There's an Edel out there who's just a regular girl. That's how infinite universes work.

And again, Kars has crazy high resistances to soul and mind hax, so there goes a good majority of Edel's arsenal.
 
SpookyShadow said:
Feats for time abilities not working on her. Kars doesn't have causality manipulation, it's pure time manipulation.
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No i meant. Desperados are beings which transcend causality, which includes time stop in verse. For stuff like time reversal (they are a thing in verse too which are part of causality, but im pretty sure rewinding time is impossible on type 4 by default).
 
Sir Ovens said:
Congrats, except going back in time isn't affecting Edel, it's affecting Kars. He can go back in time over and over again as long as BtD exists.
There's an Edel out there who's just a regular girl. That's how infinite universes work.

And again, Kars has crazy high resistances to soul and mind hax, so there goes a good majority of Edel's arsenal.
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It does affect Edel, although not directly you're still reversing effects that were put on you by type 4 acausal. So basically you're affecting what she has done. And again, why would BtD even be able to move or act? Not to mention that even if it did work, he would still get constantly passively killed.

Hmm i'd need some proof on that and there is still the current edel which has the passives.

Well it just means she can't induce fear on him, doesn't mean that he is willing to go in a fight knowing he'll die. Unless he has done so before. And even then, she can still nullify his willpower. Which means most of the stands are useless right off the bat.
 
The wold ultimate can bypass res to time stop tho.i also dont see why kars cant adapt to willpower manip tbh
 
Its a Stand that acts indenpendently of Kars' will

Even if Kars gets fearhaxed, killer queen pulls out a "cease and desist" and turns her into a bomb
 
@Spooky

I mean "anything it touches". This is a passive fight. And you're bringing up the "if it touches argument".

@Zel

Acausality type 4 is not resistance. It's transcending causality. He'd just need feats of affecting type 4.

@Oblivion

And since the stand is basically it's own thing, it escapes the passives because....?
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Because killer queen doesnt have a brain to be mindhaxed
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Souls don't have a brain either but they still get affected by edelweiss. The fact that it acts independently means it has a will of it's own. So he'll just get fate/causality/will haxed to oblivion.
 
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