EarthBound/MOTHER: Possible attack speed upgrade?

[Chrisras]

Can we consider PK Flash as Lightspeed?

In the game is stated as a "Attack made of light", wich affects all the area in the battle.

Descriptions of stuff necesary to evade the OKHO attack from it like the Night Pendant says "It absorbs the light of a flash attack"

PK Flash ╬® (the strongest version) is stated to, instead of use "Flashes", it uses "Rays" of lights.

And iirc, the characters are able to dodge and be in pair with this rays.


Well.... that, not going to extend as much as with other treaths. so yeah.

 

[Chrisras]

Pmub

 

[Chrisras]

EarthBump


Also found that one of Jeff's weapon is called "Spectrum beam" wich is a reference to said effect of light with a prism.

The japanese name for this weapon is called "Prism beam" wich could help support that this weapon uses said light as an attack.

 

[Chrisras]

MOTHER of all bumps.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

If it's actually made of rays of light then i guess it's ok...

but this maybe can help?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

If it is stated to be actually light a behaves light actually light then it can be used.

Don't know the verse but we need to see how the light acts, it may state its light but if it doesn't act like it then it can't be used.

Hopefully someone who knows the verse can back up the lights legitimacy.

 

[Chrisras]

Already read it.

The problem comes with how we can interpret the attack animations in EarthBound, since, you now, are kinda of original.


It does seems like the rays come in a straight line tho.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Honestly I don't know how to interpret it let's wait for more input.

 

[Chrisras]

okai.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

I do think it should be Lightspeed.

 

[Chrisras]

Fastest bump alive.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Fastest bump alive.

Someone already bumped after waiting 5 mins

 

[Chrisras]

i have failed

 

[Chrisras]

Mystical Bump.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Crud I thought I posted on this ages ago.

I think Speed of Light attack speed is fine.

 

[GimmyJibbsJr]

tbh Speed of light attack speed seems perfectly fine to me

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Well like I said, I can't make much from it but if it looks good to everyone else I'm fine with it.

 

[Chrisras]

Alrighty then.

Should we wait for more input?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I think it be fine to perform the changes.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

The attack blinds people, so it definitely behaves like light does, in the sense that it damages their eyes, which extremely bright lights tend to do.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

From the Earthbound wiki: "Enemies suffer from crying, numbness, feeling strange or they become unconscious"

"Causes all enemies to cry. Can also cause strangeness, paralysis, and instant defeat."

I'm no scientist but I don't think light causes you to go numb, cry, or feel strange at all

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

It actually can cause nausea, disorientation, imbalance in brain activity, muscle rigidity, loss of bodily functions, seizures, and then some.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_vertigo

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Alright then, I agree with treating PK Flash as Lightspeed then

 

[Chrisras]

Okay, seems like everyone here accepts the attack as Lightspeed.

Then, I think the character that should apply this would be Ness and Lucas.

Would be something like this?

Ness:

Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Can dodge real lightning at very close range from enemies like Thunder and Storm Mites) with Speed of Light attack speed (Capable of using PK Flash, an attack that throws rays of light)

Lucas:

Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic+ (Scales to Porky, Can dodge real lightning at very close ranges from enemies like Mr. Generator) with Speed of Light attack speed (Capable of using PK Flash) ?

Also, would this change their reaction time? At least for Lucas? been replaying Mother 3 recently, and I can guarantee seeing that Lucas's party is capable of dodging PK Flash/Light based attack.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

It likely can get a upgrade to the verse unless PK Flash is said/show to be faster than others attack

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I think it might just apply to the verse, I don't remember anything saying PK Flash >>>> Everything else

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I might be able to calc the energy output of PK Flash by using one of the battle areas as the distance. But I'm busy with an F-Zero calc.

 

[Chrisras]

Okay.

 

[Chrisras]

Bump?

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Still agreeing...

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Will the verse get a upgrade?

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Bump.

I'm sure the revisions can be applied by now.

But one more thing: I vaguely recall the magic being dodgeable. If that's so, then the verse should get FTL reactions and combat speed via being able to dodge it and being able to react to opponents that can dodge said attacks.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

"At least Relativistic+, likely Higher" is better.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Actually, the fights in the Mother series usually depict the opponent being within relatively close range. So I think Lightspeed reactions should be alright.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

okay

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I can't find any confirmation on the ability to dodge PK Flash, so I guess the attack speed upgrade is more reasonable. I'll close this thread if there aren't any further objections.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Okay, seems like everyone here accepts the attack as Lightspeed.
Also, would this change their reaction time? At least for Lucas? been replaying Mother 3 recently, and I can guarantee seeing that Lucas's party is capable of dodging PK Flash/Light based attack.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I suppose Lightspeed reactions are alright then.

 

[Chrisras]

I'm fine with the verdict.

Well, it seems that this treath is concluded, since everyone here is fine with Lightspeed reactions/attack speed, I guess this can be closed and the changes can be applied.

Also, thank you all for giving a little of your time to respond to my treath, ur cool.