Dungeon & Dragons, Revision 2.0

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The serpent would have technically all magic abilities... possibly.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its feats are giving Vecna a high level 2A spell, being magic, and being comparable to the LOP. Besides that it's pretty vague. There's also the Old Ones and the Immortals who have High 2-A to possibly 1-A feats.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"The Serpent speaks directly to Vecna. Others- daring to call themselves wizards, magicians, and sorcerers- manipulate the tiniest aspects of the Serpent and call it magic. But Vecna speaks to the Serpent, and the Serpent speaks back. "

Possibly 1-A? Huh? Do they do something to the far realm?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Immortals are limited to 5 dimensions since if there wasn't a barrier they would gain continuous access to higher dimensions but not transcend the cosmology like the Old Ones. Which should be a 1-B, High 1-B, or 1-A thing

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Possibly 1-B or high 1-B makes sense due to the weirdness of it

 

[Qawsedf234]

Basically goes

• Immortals math suggests there's infinite dimensions

• The Old Ones set a dimensional barrier since Immortals could transcend all boundries but not ascend to the level of the Old Ones: "But knowing that Immortal power could transcend all boundaries, the Old Ones set a limit to restrict the Immortals to help them concentrate their efforts. This is the Barrier. Withdrawing themselves into the sixth and higher dimensions, the Old Ones created a type of wall between themselves and the rest of existence. Whenever an Immortal tries to pass beyond the first five dimensions, he or she enters a special realm"

• So Immortals without the barrier could keep advancing but without ascending. The Old Ones put a barrier in place so the Immortals could hyper focus their efforts and eventually ascend.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Possibly 1-B without the barrier seems fine

 

[Qawsedf234]

If only it was 1-A. Maybe we could've gotten High 1-A Luminous Being. But as of now cosmology looks like

• Lumi - High 1-C to 1-A

• Old Ones - 1-C to 1-B/High 1-B

• Immortals - High 2-A, possibly 1-B without the Dimensional Vortex

• The Ancient Brethren/Overgods - High 2-A

• Gods - Low 2-C to 2-A

• Archdevils/Demon Lords - 2-C in their realms

• Everyone else - 10-B to High 6-A depending on the level. Although iirc there's also sentient planets, stars, and constellations. Which would draw 5-B, 4-C, and High 4-C/4-B ratings

 

[Qawsedf234]

Oh right there's also some special hax that the Elder Evils possess. For example Zargon is High 6-A but his hax is so good he can kill multiple D&D Gods . Although in turn they only work against divine entites, which is why Asmodeus could beat him.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Actually if a mod reads this then Vecna needs to have this removed from his profile

> Attack Potency: Multi-Continent level (Comparable to the Abomination that was capable of heating the planet's core , should be able to battle Zargon, who created a planetary storm)

Vecna would lose to Zargon due to his special anti-god powers.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Eh yeah that should be removed, or at least stated better in that Zargon's physical might/magical might should not be vastly superior, just that his hax are built specifically to counter gods.

 

[Udlmaster]

Oh yeah, what do we classify the Daelkyr as?

As they come from the Far Realm, do we treat them as coming from a Realm above the normal Multiverse's dimensions or not?

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, the Far Realm has been sealed away and was broken by the Gods in the Dawn war:

"The Far Realm was originally sealed off from reality by a construction known as the Living Gate, which lay at the top of the Astral Sea. The Living Gate awoke and opened during the Dawn War between the gods and primordials, and was destroyed in the same war, thus allowing the Far Realm to break into the D&D universe."

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Far Realm touches every single Multiverse. The living gate cuts off the connection between one universe and the Far Realm. As for the Daelkyr, nothing. Unless something actually exhibits higher dimensional traits then there's no reason to assume it has those traits. Plenty of creatures, monsters, or Abominations from the Far Realm can be killed by pre-god Adventurers.

 

[Udlmaster]

But isn't that a feat near something of the Far Realm itself?

For example, or analogy, sealing off the Warp would be a High 1-B feat or possibly even 1-A feat.

Would the same apply here?

Also, makes sense, the Daemons from Warhammer aren't High 1-B because they come from the Warp, just an idea though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't think so. It's just preventing the Far Realm and the normal multiverse from connecting. Even then who knows, it may only stop a certain level of interaction. The barrier may stop a 4-C Far Realm creature but not a 1-B one for example.

Plus of we take ot as a 1-C or 1-A feat its a pretty notable outlier

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The far realm is 1-A, but "sealing it off" isn't 1-A

 

[Udlmaster]

I don't think so. It's just preventing the Far Realm and the normal multiverse from connecting. Even then who knows, it may only stop a certain level of interaction. The barrier may stop a 4-C Far Realm creature but not a 1-B one for example.
Plus of we take ot as a 1-C or 1-A feat its a pretty notable outlier

Sure

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, should we start adding other beings besides the Gods, like the Wisps and such?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Probably

The serprent would be a high 2-A with absurd quantity of hax. It literally is the source of all magic

 

[Udlmaster]

Sounds much like Mystra, who is also credited with being the source of all Magic, as well.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"The Serpent speaks directly to Vecna. Others- daring to call themselves wizards, magicians, and sorcerers- manipulate the tiniest aspects of the Serpent and call it magic. But Vecna speaks to the Serpent, and the Serpent speaks back"

 

[Udlmaster]

I know who the Serpent is, I was just making an observation: "Mystryl (MISS-trihl),[1] the Lady of Mysteries, was a greater deityand the first incarnation of the goddess of magic. Later incarnations of the goddess were named "Mystra".[5] Mystryl was most notably known as the being who embodied the Weave, the primary source of magic in the cosmos"

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Also, should we start adding other beings besides the Gods, like the Wisps and such?

I have write-ups made for a few creatures (like Balors and Mind Flayers).

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you're including a section about the Mind Flayer empire, it may be important to note that it was so powerful the Blood War was temporarily halted in case the lower planes were invaded.

Also in Mystara's case the weave was localized in 1e-3e Although by 4e or 5e it was prezent throughout every multiverse.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Serprent would have access to every spell of every class on a 5-Dimensional scale not to mention all god powers

Haxed beyond belief

 

[Udlmaster]

Not sure if he would have all God powers, as I don't believe the Lady does herself.

Also, some of the God's powers comes from Ao, at least for the Forgotten Realms Gods, so he wouldn't have access to any of them.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Okay, not all god powers but all spells

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not sure about that either.

Like I said. The Serpent is certainly the source of magic, but he may only have it as a raw resource so to speak, with spellcasters being able to give such energy form and use.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If you're including a section about the Mind Flayer empire, it may be important to note that it was so powerful the Blood War was temporarily halted in case the lower planes were invaded.
Also in Mystara's case the weave was localized in 1e-3e Although by 4e or 5e it was prezent throughout every multiverse.

Their empire should get a civ page, same for the Aboleth society and the Ordining, among others.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If we're doing Civ pages the Wind Dukes and the pre-Demon Abyss may also need one.

 

[Udlmaster]

Should the Devils of the Nine hells be given a Civ page as well? They have the law and order to be considered one.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

There are tons of civilization pages that could be made for D&D, but it is really just deciding which ones are actually worth making before the others since D&D has the potential for literally hundreds of pages.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Mind Flayers, Aboleths, Nine Hells, the Abyss, and a few others can probably get pages. Iirc there's a single Mind Flayer world that has the magic power to theoretically destroy stars.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Githyanki society, too, since they famously war against the Mind Flayers. Yuan Ti might also be candidates IIRC.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think the old Gith rebellion defeated the Mind Flayers since they gained an extremely good resistance against their mental attacks. Their current societies aren't super notable from my memory. Dunno enough about the Yuan Ti to say anything.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh.

Drow too. There's probably a ton more societies.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Most seem sorta meh. Unless there's some rad Spelljammer feat that I don't know about. Actually the Blackmoor Civilization could get a civ rating considering they had multiple items on the level of this. Along with other weird tech like Power Armor, Laser Guns, and Nuclear Reactors.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also another Civ made a planetary storm they wrecked the surface of a world and they're weaker than Blackmoor.

 

[Udlmaster]

So, "At least High 6-A, possibly far higher"