Toriyama never spoke on the credibility of the Daizenshuu 4 like he had for the Daizenshuu 7. Furthermore, Toriyama never said that the staff at Caramel Mama were ever more reliable than himself was in terms of the cosmology, just that he never seriously bothered with the cosmology to begin.
www.kanzenshuu.com
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it's just Null being Null, just ignore it.
It's all good toby, what's true will prevail in the end either way
Exactly, good always triumphs over evil!
basically are you using the guide to support a interpretation of the statement in the series to support the said guide?
You're not making your case better. You're using visual representation to attempt to debunk something, which isn't really the best thing to try.
It seems like you haven’t read anything posted in the thread and I thought you were gonna leave the topic so what happened to that? We’re not nitpicking words the guides have differentiated the observable universe filled with light and beyond it which is darkness and we’ve shown that this darkness indeed exists with Yakon’s planet
I’m still confused on what you’re asking but ima just say this theres stated to be a darkness beyond and Yakon is an example of this
Toriyama did supervise the books and you keep saying the daizenshuu is contradictory but can you explain how it is contradictory it is your burden of proof to prove it’s contradictory
when said visual representation is the literal showing of how the universe is from outside, yeah i can use, where did you get this idea that we don't use visuals at all here?
Since you are so talkative, Mister Null, will you show us the contradiction?
no it isn't proved yet, the statement makes no specification of only being talking about the "iluminated part" to say that it is requires more proof from the series itself
the statement itself never specified that it is talking about the "observable" universe, so what is your evidence from the series itself that it is in that instance?
No. I am using the guide as supplementary information, as it should be used.
good thing that he didn't just write introductions and has himself said that he approves of the Daizenshuu, then.
when you say suplementary it would mean that there is other information in the series itself about it, in the said statement there isn't
so the universe has an edge
therefore contradicting what was shown prior, aka a retcon
it isn't since for that you would need to assume that the statement in question is only talking about the light part of the universe when nothing in the statement suggests that in contrary to it just be talking about the general universe
what more did he did in the actual book?
him approving doesn't mean much when death of the author is a thing
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What?
i mean, the guides are secondary canon here, for there information to be used it needs to be supported, in this case i am asking what supports the statement in dbs talking specifically about the observable universe instead of all of it since nothing in the statement says specifies anything of the shorts
I will respond to this however since it was a goof on my part, they do not use 'edge of the universe' in that scene.
Which scan is that for?
The endless space one, I couldn't find the kanji for infinite in it. Not mugen, nothing.
The one with infinite is the Freeza scan
I was provided with this scan as well saying that there are more than one scan in the guidebook for infinite universe. So I am asking where is the kanji for mugen if not then this scan as well is invalid.
I don't get it. Are you nitpicking this section of my post?
The universe, an endless space that encompasses all the celestial bodies that exist in this world. It is one of the great worlds in this world, compatible with the "magical world. In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located below the other world and is closely connected to it by a wall engraved with mysterious patterns. In the universe, there are "nebulae," which are made up of countless stars, and there are "galaxies," which are made up of countless nebulae. There are "galaxies. Each galaxy has its own god in charge. Earth belongs to a galactic nebula at the edge of the northern galaxy, the solar system.
This uses "果てしなく広がる", which is "endlessly/eternally expanding", denoting a structure that continues to grow, rather than a structure that has already reached its peak.
Sigh, not yours or of anyone. But asking if there are more than one scan for infinite Universe, you're not even the one who gave me this scan.
Oh no, just because he didn't write it doesn't mean it's not canon, let's cite an example, episode G raquien and episode G kuramada didn't write it either, does that stop being canon? Of course that no! Akira toriyama has his own handwriting and autograph, and on the cover it says "Akira toriyama"
Yeah I checked it because I was iffy when I didn't found the mugen in the entire scan.
Universe, an endlessly expanding space that encompasses all the celestial bodies that exist in this world. It is one of the great worlds in this world that is compatible with "Makai". In the world of Dragon Ball, the universe is located below the other world, and is closely connected by walls engraved with mysterious patterns. In the universe, there is a "nebula" that is made up of countless stars, and it is made up of countless nebulae. There is a galaxy. Each galaxy has its own god. The earth belongs to the galactic nebula, the solar system, at the edge of the northern galaxy.
Ah, I see. Sorry for acting out of turn, I was confused since I didn't mention that scan using 'infinite' in my post and thought you were claiming I was
