Dragon Ball Toei Discussion Thread

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

A thread to talk about the scaling and general info of Dragon Ball Z (Toei), Dragon Ball GT, And Dragon Ball Super (Anime)


Lets start off by giving OG Broly some love. I believe he is far higher than what he is currently rated due to him destroying south galaxy over a short period of time, south galaxy being 1/4th of the whole universe

 

[Vizer04]

Following

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

very cool

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Do you guys think Goku and Pure Boo are able to destroy the Kaioshin Realm in the anime? Not necessarily in one shot, but in a brief time-span.
Elder Kai treats it as a possibility, and during the fight it's stated they were destroying the Kaioshin Realm.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

So recently the toei Frieza calc might be in jeopardy because it requires Namek Saga characters being 4-A. Any thoughts?

 

[AwkguyDB]

Just upgrade Namek Saga

 

[Sus]

Base broly shouldn't be "unknown"
We already know he's at minimum 4C if not higher

 

[Lemongifted101]

restrict Broly when he destroy
the portion of southern galaxy
should be calced (A bit above 4A
I guess). Then why now 4A Namek
saga became possible useable feat?

 

[Sus]

restrict Broly when he destroy
the portion of southern galaxy
should be calced (A bit above 4A
I guess). Then why now 4A Namek
saga became possible useable feat?

We don't scale toei characters from movie feats except dead zone and coolers revange

 

[Lemongifted101]

We don't scale toei characters from movie feats except dead zone and coolers revange

OK thx to told me

 

[speedster352]

So what are the arguements against this?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

So what are the arguements against this?

Their are a few. One is that the galaxy we see busted in the opening scene is just that a galaxy. They also say that it was done over time like in Buu's case. Another I've seen is that the cosmology doesn't apply to the movies because there not directed by Toriyama. I've also seen people argue that since the cosmology wasn't expanded back then (Jaco stating that there were numerous galaxies), that the old "Only 4 galaxies in the DBZ Universe" still applies.

Those are some of the main arguments I've seen, granted you can debunk most of them there are still a few that hold some credence.

 

[Sus]

No offense most of these arguments are cowshit

The only one that may work are the visual and the overtime arguments

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

No offense most of these arguments are cowshit

The only one that may work are the visual and the overtime arguments

Yea, I'm aware. Just stating what the arguments are. I've been planning to make a CRT for Broly for a while so if you want to help your welcome too.

 

[Sus]

Yea, I'm aware. Just stating what the arguments are. I've been planning to make a CRT for Broly for a while so if you want to help your welcome too.

I'd like to help, but i don't think i can do that much really

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I'd like to help, but i don't think i can do that much really

I mean if you could just watch the Sub version of the Broly movie and remember any quotes that have to do with the universe or South Galaxy that would be great.

 

[Sus]

Might do, but for now, why is base broly unknown?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Might do, but for now, why is base broly unknown?

Probably because he can fight with base Goku but is massively inferior. Though this can be solved by assuming he at least has the same powerlevel in base that he did as a kid (10000)

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Probably because he can fight with base Goku but is massively inferior. Though this can be solved by assuming he at least has the same powerlevel in base that he did as a kid (10000)

Pretty sure that was retrainsed SSJ Broly that fought Goku.
Base Broly is at least First Form Frieza level tho

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Pretty sure that was retrainsed SSJ Broly that fought Goku.
Base Broly is at least First Form Frieza level tho

Really? Doesn't he have regular super Saiyan, and then a separate Legendary Super Saiyan form?

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Really? Doesn't he have regular super Saiyan, and then a separate Legendary Super Saiyan form?

The Blue Hair Broly is also Super Saiyan Broly but Paragus' mind thingy changed its color for some reason

 

[Sus]

Are we gonna mention that baby broly saved his father from a high 4C explosion? No?
And why can't base broly just downscale from his feat as a restricted super saiyan?

Also scaling goku to brolys feat is iffy as the limiter doesn't hold him back in a consistent way, when he wasn't that mad, he was dominated by base goku, when he was very mad, he took a punch from super vegeta unfazed

We know the feat was done when broly was very enraged so i don't think goku should scale

We don't have a movie profile for goku anyway so doesn't matter much

Really? Doesn't he have regular super Saiyan, and then a separate Legendary Super Saiyan form?

He fought goku as a super saiyan but with the limiter on

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Are we gonna mention that baby broly saved his father from a high 4C explosion? No?
And why can't base broly just downscale from his feat as a restricted super saiyan?

Frieza destroying Vegeta is High 5-A. Plus the movie continuities explosion could be different. I think our safest option is scaling him to Small Planet level + based on his power level of 10000 as a child.

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Do you guys think Goku and Pure Boo are able to destroy the Kaioshin Realm in the anime? Not necessarily in one shot, but in a brief time-span.
Elder Kai treats it as a possibility, and during the fight it's stated they were destroying the Kaioshin Realm.

Gonna bring this back up

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Gonna bring this back up

Id have to actually see a few clips. I never watched the OG Buu saga and only watched Kai because I'm a filthy scrub

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Id have to actually see a few clips. I never watched the OG Buu saga and only watched Kai because I'm a filthy scrub

Fair enough, Z can definitely be really hard on the pacing some times. The statements are in episodes 279 and 280.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Fair enough, Z can definitely be really hard on the pacing some times. The statements are in episodes 279 and 280.

Will take a look

 

[Sus]

Frieza destroying Vegeta is High 5-A. Plus the movie continuities explosion could be different. I think our safest option is scaling him to Small Planet level + based on his power level of 10000 as a child.

Assuming his base form is only as strong as his infant self is not any better
Why can't we downscale him from the feat since his restricted super saiyan is less than 50x?

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Assuming his base form is only as strong as his infant self is not any better
Why can't we downscale him from the feat since his restricted super saiyan is less than 50x?

Because we don't know how strong this version of Goku is in base. It'd be based on an assumption that he's similar to his Z counterpart at this time. Which is not correct as the movies are separate continuities.

 

[Sus]

Because we don't know how strong this version of Goku is in base. It'd be based on an assumption that he's similar to his Z counterpart at this time. Which is not correct as the movies are separate continuities.

Unrelated to what i said

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Unrelated to what i said

Ok, I see what you were saiyan, we'd have to guess the multiplier though.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Gonna bring this back up

Question, Does the Kaioshin planet have an established size? I know one of the realms in the Macrocasm is like 1/10 the size of the universe and is a planet

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Question, Does the Kaioshin planet have an established size? I know one of the realms in the Macrocasm is like 1/10 the size of the universe and is a planet

I believe you're talking about the Kaioshin Realm. The single planet, I'm not sure, but Goku and Boo are stated to be affecting the whole Realm.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

I believe you're talking about the Kaioshin Realm

Then yes, I believe there is a weak basis that that statement is valid. But it'll probably be deemed an Outlier because it Utterly ***** with the established scaling of the series

 

[Sus]

Ok, I see what you were saiyan, we'd have to guess the multiplier though.

Its 50

There's literally no reason for it to be otherwise

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Its 50

There's literally no reason for it to be otherwise

You said it yourself that it's a restricted super saiyan, why would it scale to SSJ full 50x multiplier?

 

[Sus]

You said it yourself that it's a restricted super saiyan, why would it scale to SSJ full 50x multiplier?

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD BE A WEAKER VERSION OF SUPER SAIYAN BE OVER 50

Its even less, aka base broly is even closer to the feat

 

[MrHazama]

Following, because Dragon Ball fan

 

[SSJGeminiJJ]

Do you guys think Goku and Pure Boo are able to destroy the Kaioshin Realm in the anime? Not necessarily in one shot, but in a brief time-span.
Elder Kai treats it as a possibility, and during the fight it's stated they were destroying the Kaioshin Realm.

If SSJG Goku is accepted as universal because of statements from Elder Kai, I don't see why this shouldn't be valid too.

 

[MrHazama]

Universal Buu Saga Goku. . .if that day ever comes to light, I retract my neutral opinions on this site