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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 12

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@Master Xar: I think you should stop arguing with people on Youtube/Facebook, they are either ******* or uneducated Wankers. I have tried debating with them more than twice, seriously it didn't go well at all, they never listen to reason.
 
@Master Xar: They claimed that Goku is not universal or multigalaxy level, even though it showcased in the anime. They clearly used the manga materials - SIDE CANON over the anime ones, saying that the shockwave didn't destroy anything in the manga, even though it was stated by the Old Kai himself that if they clashed more than twice, the universe will be destroyed in both manga and anime version.
 
Strmi and he defends that video saying that goku is ftl in travel speed but less in combat and that destroying the universe in 3 punches thing was a outliner and even if it wasn't an outliner that beerus was doing all the work. It was very clear that goku hadn't mastered his punches in ssjg yet while beerus has but when goku clashed with beerus it could've destroyed the universe had goku not mastered them before he could do so and besides both beerus and goku were fighting equally also last time I checked A ki blast > a punch even then goku tanked multiple ki blasts from beerus and matches beerus ki blast which was doing about if not more then their punches until beerus goes "100 precent" and nullify's all that energy. they also compared it to superman lifting the book of infinte pages which I recently found out that it contains all of existence inside of it now that's a outliner since superman never displayed it again. As for goku destroying the universe in 3 punches it isn't a outliner and beerus wasn't doing all the work plus when beerus fought champ. Champ was going to destroy both universe as he didn't care anymore about what would happen to them. As for superman I don't see him lifting all of existence again in another completely different comic but ,he did say he was coming back to lift the book by him self in the same comic. In the next comic he fought mandrakk and tanked lots of his attacks meaning he is nearly on the same level as cosmic armor superman which would be a inconsistently.
 
DBS is at the point where they are trying to write it like Z now. Frieza gets defeated, shortly after Trunks comes from the future. Now we have Goku beating Frieza, then somehow getting almost killed by a laser. About 20 episodes later Trunks arrives from the future. What's next? Instead of Androids, will we get Magetta's race instead? Instead of Buu, possibly Botamo?
 
UltraSans101 said:
DBS is at the point where they are trying to write it like Z now. Frieza gets defeated, shortly after Trunks comes from the future. Now we have Goku beating Frieza, then somehow getting almost killed by a laser. About 20 episodes later Trunks arrives from the future. What's next? Instead of Androids, will we get Magetta's race instead? Instead of Buu, possibly Botamo?
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maybe someone like mira?
 
@Ultrasan: Have you seen the actual news? you're kinda saying nonsensical things there man, Magetta, Botamo? seriously please write something that actually makes sense
 
Anyway deeznuts is right: downplayers are just blind guys who don't accept the character they like is weaker than Goku.

in RoF it was stated Frieza survived because he can "breath in space". Vegeta also survived the explosion but died in deepd space and that would make perfect sense:

- even namek Frieza survived the explosion of planet Namek. And RoF frieza is vastly stronger to an absurd degree.

- Even pre cyborg saga Goku is a lot more durable than Frieza: Trunks managed to one shot Frieza (by cutting him in half with his sword), and the same Trunks using the same sword couldn't damage SSJ Goku's FINGER. So SSJ Goku's finger is more durable than namek Frieza's whole body who survived planet Namek's explosion.

In the RoF and despite Frieza's training, Both goku and Vegeta are stronger than Frieza's final form in their base form. So that would be extremely stupid to say SSB Vegeta is less durable than final form Frieza.


Also that guy who said dragon ball cast fighting speed is slow is stupid. Even during the sayan saga it was enormous (due to Radtiz and Nappa being able to dodge Piccolo's makankosappo in battle situation (so even Raditz who's slower than Nappa already had a sub-relativistic + fighting speed feat, and base form Goku in the saiyan saga could casually blitz Nappa).

So after years and years of training (including the 100 times gravity training that multiplied his speed by 10), zenkai boosts, tons of new transformations etc ... that would be stupid to say Goku's fighting speed is slower than Saitama's fighting speed.


Also, saying the universe busting feat is an outlier is stupid too. Dragon ball is known to allow Goku and the others to evolve extremely fast. At the very beginning ot the serie, kid Goku was wall level! So after he became a SSG that's logical he was at least multi galaxy level.

Especially when you consider the narrator stated Beerus and Goku could destroy the universe with the shockwave (so it's not a character's statement. It was officially said).


But it's too much for downplayers and despitre all proofs we have they won't listen ... I also tried many times on youtube but that's useless ... they're too stupid/immature to admit they were wrong.
 
So is it debatable weather or not goku and beerus punches were equal during their clash. If goku and beerus could destroy the universe in 3 punches then goku alone should be able to destroy 1/6 of the universe in with 1 punch
 
So wait can beerus and whis breath in space because in that script it say thanks to whis sheild beerus and whis and those near him survived earth destruction so does that mean beerus and whis can't breath in space.
 
You can ask about the feat on the questions and answers board. I'll have to ask you to stop derailing this thread. Compliance will be much appreciated.
 
But back on topic... Is there going to be a profile for Baby Pan? For now I would almost definitely put her at Unknown for now , but she can fly, has pretty good durability for a baby to survive in the exosphere, though that one may just be PIS for the Pilaf gang being able to survive up there with her too...
 
Master Xar said:
But back on topic... Is there going to be a profile for Baby Pan? For now I would almost definitely put her at Unknown for now , but she can fly, has pretty good durability for a baby to survive in the exosphere, though that one may just be PIS for the Pilaf gang being able to survive up there with her too...
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i dont think so
 
Aimenaltair said:
King Kai stated that Goku had enough Ki to read what happens few seconds in the future, damn that's OP.
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It had nothing to do with ki he just is trying to too predict his opponent's next move.
 
But in the script, Toryiama says only Whis and Beerus and those around them survive the DESTRUCTION of Earth, thanks to Whis' barrier meaning Whis and Beerus wouldn't have survived the destruction of Earth now weather or not the air or the explosion kill Vegeta it doesn't say meaning without it, they would of die from space.
 
Huesito88 said:
But in the script, Toryiama says only Whis and Beerus and those around them survive the DESTRUCTION of Earth, thanks to Whis' barrier meaning Whis and Beerus wouldn't have survived the destruction of earth now weather or not the air or the explosion kill Vegeta it doesn't say meaning without it, they would of die from space
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we know
 
But that makes no senss. it state they survived it Beerus whis and the other thanks to the barrier meaning all of them would have died from space. Also Toryiama stated Beerus and Goku need air. Toryiama

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation 4, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they'd go all the way into the Stratosphere T1……but thinking about it, they're both aliens 5, after all. Maybe THEY can just barely breathe.
 
Huesito88 said:
But that makes no scents it state they survived it beerus whis and the other thanks to the barrier meaning all of them would have died from space. Also toryiama stated beerus and goku need air. Toryiama
I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation4, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they'd go all the way into the stratosphereT1……but thinking about it, they're both aliens5, after all. Maybe THEY can just barely breathe.
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no thay are the same as champ and vados thay stop on the namless planet no amissphere that is why thay made a amissphere for the fiters
 
What is going on in this thread? Whether Toriyama's script says they survived because of Whis barrier is irrelevant as the final product which is the anime clearly showed that the barrier was only there to protect the humans Whis and Beerus could laugh off a planet exploding not to mention humans need air to survive which is why Vegeta died not from the planet exploding but from a lack of oxygen which is what the anime again implied. Even if Toriyama intendedVegeta to died from the planet's explosion that is an inconcsistency because even Saiyan saga Vegeta threatened to blow up the Earth, and he could probably survive the explosion if he didn't need oxygen. A Super Saiyan Blue like Vegeta dying to a planet exploding is just ridiculous and contradictory to previously established power-scaling granted even in the Cell saga people were shocked themselves when Vegeta and Goku threatened to destroy the planet but even then we all know about ki control so those weren't simply planet destroying attacks because it would be ridiculous to think Saiyan saga Vegeta = Cell Saga Vegeta when Cell Saga Vegeta is so far above Saiyan saga. The reason why they hyped up blowing up the planet is because 1 those weren't simply planet destroying attacks and 2 they can't survive in space so they would die if the planet exploded.

Whis and beeerus can survive in space we saw this in episode 1 when beerus blew up a planet and was claerly in space and again in like episode 3 when he blew up another planet and it's explosion made him remember his dream about the super sayain god. And we have seen champa and vados in and beerus and whis talking to each other in space so clearly surviving in space isn't an issue for any of them. Anyway this whole disscussion on them surviving earth's destruction needs to be dropped as it's already been disscussed to death and if you think ssb vegeta died to planet exploding it's just downright downplay which we don't take too kindly around here.
 
Huesito88 said:
I know strmi
But toryiama also stated this in a interview

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/full-color-comics-freeza-arc-vol-5-akira-toriyama/

I thought that things would get out of hand if they fought right there at Capsule Corporation4, but naturally, the location changed. (laughs) To think that they'd go all the way into the stratosphereT1……but thinking about it, they're both aliens5, after all. Maybe THEY can just barely breathe.
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A comment Toriyama made about the movie that happened years ago and holds no importance to the series, yes Goku can't survive in space and maybe Toriyama intended beerus to be unable to survive in space in the Battle of Gods movie but in Super, Beerus has clearly been portrayed as being able to survive in space multiple times. Anyway, people should stop bringing up evidence that relates to the movies they hold no bearing on the series as is obvious the series is different from the movies, in the movie Beerus was only thought of as being solar system level but in Super is universal and the 6 10 15 scale Toriyama gave also is irrelevant to the series along with that 70% line.
 
In Super Beerus was able to survive in space and even under water.

Goku can't do this.

In Frieza Saga, Frieza said that Saiyans can't survive in space, it's no secret.
 
Speaking of things that Goku may or may not do...

Is it possible that he has a small level of Precognition?

I mean, didn't King Kai said that Goku´s ki was strong enough to see what would happen a couple of seconds into the future or something?
 
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