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So I wanted to address what I feel like is a pretty big problem with Ribrianne's and DBS Android 18's ratings. In their current states, they're really just ignoring evidence for the sake of pushing the rating they're currently at. Simply put, Ribrianne should be flat out 2-C, and Android 18 should be 2-C as well, with both having a speed of at least 196 quadrillion c, likely far higher. Here's why:
First, I'll tackle Ribrianne's profile. Interestingly, Ribrianne's feats are pretty openly laid out for us to see, yet all she gets is a "possibly 2-C" rating for what should be blatant 2-C feats via scaling. Her only justification for the High 4-C part is being stronger than Tien, which yeah that serves as a good absolute baseline, but the number of significantly higher feats should place her solidly at 2-C. In fact, going through her profile, I'll go through the two most important ones. The first is being able to trade blows with a suppressed Android 17 and destroy his barrier. Now, it's pretty clear he was holding back here, but he was visibly exerting himself a bit during his clash with Ribrianne, meaning it shouldn't be by so much that he wouldn't be 2-C anymore. In addition, the barrier Ribrianne destroyed was one that protected Base Goku from an attack that was seemingly going to damage him, adding more credit to Ribrianne's feats. The next one I want to bring up is Ribrianne briefly matching Super Saiyan Vegeta in combat. Given that Base Vegeta could later damage her at some points (though contrary to what the profile says, he didn't defeat her, as Rozie simply interfered and Ribrianne didn't even seem damaged at all when Vegeta's blast overwhelmed her own), he was definitely holding back here, but I find it to still be noteworthy to some extent.
Oh yeah, she legit takes multiple hits and trades blows with Base Vegeta on multiple occasions. Plus her Super Ribrianne state seemed to have forced Goku to turn Super Saiyan Blue. So overall, I propose her profile look like this:
2-C, higher as Super Ribrianne or Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne
Now, Android 18's case is a lot simpler. She trades blows with Ribrianne on multiple occasions in episode 117. Her defeating Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne is considered Plot-Induced Stupidity, but even disregarding that, trading blows with regular Ribrianne should be enough on its own. I know an incoming counter will be that she was restrained by Brianne's Big Amour, but this is not an anti-feat. Restraining someone is a lifting strength feat, not an AP feat, and this is not even mentioning the fact that 18 broke out of Big Amour anyway.
So yeah, I propose that DBS Android 18 be upgraded to 2-C as well.
That's about it from me, so as always let's keep things civil. Happy debating I guess.
Agree: 21 (@Eseseso, @LuffyRuffy46307, @SeiyaRyuSeiKen, @Guacamolefletcher, @K_o_Karlyn, @ShakeResounding, @Migue79, @LordTracer, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, @TimmyTurnero, @Da3ggman, @Akagami_Shanks1, @Stryker861, @Dalesean027, @godofice, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @Tyri456, @speedster352, @Magicomethkuon, @LordGriffin1000, @KingTempest)
Disagree: 1 (@Nullflowerblush)
Neutral: 1 (@DarkDragonMedeus [Leaning toward agreeing])
First, I'll tackle Ribrianne's profile. Interestingly, Ribrianne's feats are pretty openly laid out for us to see, yet all she gets is a "possibly 2-C" rating for what should be blatant 2-C feats via scaling. Her only justification for the High 4-C part is being stronger than Tien, which yeah that serves as a good absolute baseline, but the number of significantly higher feats should place her solidly at 2-C. In fact, going through her profile, I'll go through the two most important ones. The first is being able to trade blows with a suppressed Android 17 and destroy his barrier. Now, it's pretty clear he was holding back here, but he was visibly exerting himself a bit during his clash with Ribrianne, meaning it shouldn't be by so much that he wouldn't be 2-C anymore. In addition, the barrier Ribrianne destroyed was one that protected Base Goku from an attack that was seemingly going to damage him, adding more credit to Ribrianne's feats. The next one I want to bring up is Ribrianne briefly matching Super Saiyan Vegeta in combat. Given that Base Vegeta could later damage her at some points (though contrary to what the profile says, he didn't defeat her, as Rozie simply interfered and Ribrianne didn't even seem damaged at all when Vegeta's blast overwhelmed her own), he was definitely holding back here, but I find it to still be noteworthy to some extent.
Oh yeah, she legit takes multiple hits and trades blows with Base Vegeta on multiple occasions. Plus her Super Ribrianne state seemed to have forced Goku to turn Super Saiyan Blue. So overall, I propose her profile look like this:
2-C, higher as Super Ribrianne or Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne
Now, Android 18's case is a lot simpler. She trades blows with Ribrianne on multiple occasions in episode 117. Her defeating Lovely Love, Love Ribrianne is considered Plot-Induced Stupidity, but even disregarding that, trading blows with regular Ribrianne should be enough on its own. I know an incoming counter will be that she was restrained by Brianne's Big Amour, but this is not an anti-feat. Restraining someone is a lifting strength feat, not an AP feat, and this is not even mentioning the fact that 18 broke out of Big Amour anyway.
So yeah, I propose that DBS Android 18 be upgraded to 2-C as well.
That's about it from me, so as always let's keep things civil. Happy debating I guess.
Agree: 21 (@Eseseso, @LuffyRuffy46307, @SeiyaRyuSeiKen, @Guacamolefletcher, @K_o_Karlyn, @ShakeResounding, @Migue79, @LordTracer, @Milly_Rocking_Bandit, @TimmyTurnero, @Da3ggman, @Akagami_Shanks1, @Stryker861, @Dalesean027, @godofice, @Gilad_Hyperstar, @Tyri456, @speedster352, @Magicomethkuon, @LordGriffin1000, @KingTempest)
Disagree: 1 (@Nullflowerblush)
Neutral: 1 (@DarkDragonMedeus [Leaning toward agreeing])
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