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Hello all, this CRT will be going over the souls in dragon ball. This is an overhaul from the last thread, which was missing information. This is a thread aiming to fix that and cause as least confusion as possible.
Nature of Souls
Soul Manipulation
Ki Manipulation Proposals
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Nature of Souls
- First off, it should be established that ki embodies both the soul and the body, and is described as literal spirit energy. Ki is referred to as spirit many times in the series, the most notable times this is mentioned is within the moro saga. The body and soul are linked, two sides of the same coin essentially. Further proof of this is how the reincarnation cycle works for dragon ball. When you reincarnate, if you had a powerful ki in your other life, it sticks with your spirit and remains as latent/untapped potential lying deep within. The series shows that this is the case through the likes of Uub, who had grand supreme kais god power. This happens because evil buu split from good buu, and that latent god power from the grand supreme kai split into evil buu instead, who was later defeated by the spirit bomb. Grand supreme kai later seeks out Uub because of that god power within him, proving that the soul and body both embody ki to the fullest extent, even into reincarnation. Not to mention Uub was still extremely powerful even before he knew of this untapped power, which is why he was somewhat able to impress Goku with his destructive physical nature. Just more proof as to what souls really are and what they encompass. Pybrara also has more examples of talking to vegeta about spirit in general, such as locking onto spirits using instant teleportation, he mentions how his spirit is more polished than goku’s, which allows his power to increase by a lot, which just adds on to the evidence of body and spirit coinciding with each other. Moro absorbs souls, life energy, in which it shapes his body and increases his power. And we know he’s absorbing literal souls, which is the main reason why vegeta was able to depower and separate those souls, that life energy with forced spirit fission.And obviously this results in the Namekians being brought back to life after they were liberated from moro.Raditz was able to fight king yemma in the afterlife as a soul, hence keeping his ki that allowed for him to be that strong in the first place, since he was able to put up a fight, with no mention of him being any weaker, and goku even being impressed at king yemma for being able to fight and actually win. Pybrara says all their abilities are born through that of spirit control, such as making copies of themselves, teleportation, forced spirit fission, gigantification. Spirit fission being able to separate kami and nails souls is just further proof, which vegeta claims he can do. Goku Black and zamasu have also joined together on a cellular level, forming just merged zamasu, because both zamasu’s are just zamasu, they are the same soul, which also proves the soul shapes the body.
- This section will be focusing more on the reincarnation aspect of the nature of souls. Above, I already had mentioned that ki is inherited through reincarnation, as seen with Uub and the grand supreme kai, who sought Uub out because of the power that was within kid buu via the split from good buu, who then died and reincarnated into Uub. When reincarnation is done in dragon ball, dead souls go to the afterlife, where their souls are cleansed of evil, have their memory wiped, and are judged by king yemma. The judgement process consists of the decision of if they will go to heaven, or to hell where they shall repent and reincarnate into a new body in the mortal realm. In extremely rare cases, the soul will not repent and will stay in their own personal hell until they reincarnate. Frieza is shown to have the body of the time of his death in hell, and for some reason is shown having a body in general. Which means the body and soul regenerates in hell, and the body takes the appearance of the time you died. When frieza died against trunks in his mecha state, in resurrection F, he’s shown in his mecha form. When he comes back to life and is ultimately killed by goku again in his final form state, he’s shown in hell yet again, but not as mecha frieza. Which means in some cases, only shown with frieza, this is what happens, such is the nature of souls and the process of reincarnation. Souls are also shown talking while waiting in like to be judged by enma, they are sentient beings and have their own consciousness, ki, memories, etc, which makes the mind connected to the soul.
- How a character's state of heart affects the reincarnation cycle (Good/Evil). In dragon ball, we know that beings classified as demons have evil in their heart, so much so, that whenever they kill a someone, their dead soul does not go to the afterlife, they simply float in limbo, or in other words, they remain in the mortal realm, floating adrift for all of eternity, not able to move on to the next life. This will be much more relevant later, but for now, let’s focus on the specifics and some examples. We know that this does not only apply to demons, this can apply to any being that has enough evil in their heart to classify as a “demon” in this case. For example, the saiyans that killed yamoshi were extremely evil, which is why Yamoshis dead soul was wandering the cosmos, unable to ascend to the next realm, and was able to commune with the ancient Namekians. He told the secrets of the super saiyan god through what's assumed to be dream-like states, and this legend was then written down in the Namekian book of legends, which would be later used to get the information on how to create a super saiyan god. Piccolo’s evil in his heart also faded over time, in which killing people, like Raditz and Goku, did not result in their souls wandering between heaven and earth. It should also be noted that even the power of angels fails to bring back a person who was killed by these evil beings. Overall, this shows that the reincarnation process, and nature of souls, depends on multiple factors.
Soul Manipulation
- This section will be focusing on the soul manipulation itself, and the various ways ki interacts and affects souls. The Mafuba, a variation of a ki technique, is capable of directly interacting with the souls of others.A literal ki wave firing from their hands which draws out the soul and directs it, sealing it. This is done not just on souls separated from the body, but souls within the body, bypassing their physical body to affect the soul directly, which is just one of many examples of this just being an ability ki in general is capable of. The spirit bomb also takes the spiritual energy of beings in the mortal realm, and even the afterlife, which is then formed into a mass of energy, which is yet another example of ki directly affecting the soul and being derived from it. Vegeta’s forced spirit fission, as mentioned before, is a unique technique of the yardrats, who base all their abilities on spirit control. This includes teleportation, healing (which we see goku use), cloning, and gigantification. These techniques do exactly exactly what's stated. When Pybrara uses clones, and uses gigantification, he is literally splitting his very spirit and mind. Or in other cases, growing his spirit in sheer size, not to mention when splitting the soul, it also forms physical copies around the spirit, which are capable of communication, which also splits your ki at the expense. Spirit fission is no different. A ki technique, also known as being derived from advanced spirit control, separates and liberates souls from the body which were not the original part of the being he’s splitting from it, vegeta can also TAKE spirit energy/part of the spirit in reverse and use it to power goku. And since ki is spiritual energy, manipulating it would also be a form of self soul manipulation as well. The devilmite beam is labeled as a ki attackthat targets evil thoughts in the mind and heart and uses it against the opponent to kill them instantly. Since the mind and soul are linked, this would also be a ki attack capable of directly affecting the soul and things connected to it. As we discussed earlier, the heart of a person directly affects the soul, like with demon clansmen, or just super evil beings in general. Since evil is linked to purity of your soul, targeting this also means targeting your soul. Evil itself will destroy your body.
Ki Manipulation Proposals
- Soul Manipulation
- Ectoplasm Manipulation
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