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Dragon Ball - Quick Revision

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Irineu said:
the room of time is completely sealed off from the conventional universe. however, it is still part of the structure of Universe 7. It has always been treated as a dimension outside the conventional universe, even before the multiverse concept was added in Super. before the entry of the super, there was only one "single" universe and its parallel dimensions included.
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other universes wasn't established at this point is not a proof besides a scan will be appreciated if it's a part of the universe as frieza statement already contradicts it whatsover.
 
Irineu said:
the room of time is completely sealed off from the conventional universe. however, it is still part of the structure of Universe 7. It has always been treated as a dimension outside the conventional universe, even before the multiverse concept was added in Super. before the entry of the super, there was only one "single" universe and its parallel dimensions included.
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Multiverse wasn't introduced so therefore by default becomes part of universe 7 is a bad argument. You do agree that its a dimension outside conventional universe ? There is nothing such as an unconventional universe
 
Ottavio_Merluzzo said:
Basically whatever dimension/space time the ROSAT is, is still part of the structure of the macrocosm known as Universe 7.

I think that's probably the reasoning.
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I see, I am fine with the reasoning that it's a part of the universe because other universes wasn't established yet only if profile states it so that it is known that it is considered valid thing here on wiki.
 
I don't think that the RoSAT is a part of U7. Even without the manga, it was still a sealed and closed off dimension away from the rest of Universe 7.

Even if it was, it's a pocket dimension that's not universal in size meaning it doesn't actually affects the cosmology, as destroying it alongisde U7 doesn't make you Low 2-C

If there's proof for it being actually in U7, then the proof should be linked in the message
 
Irineu said:
the room of time is completely sealed off from the conventional universe. however, it is still part of the structure of Universe 7. It has always been treated as a dimension outside the conventional universe, even before the multiverse concept was added in Super. before the entry of the super, there was only one "single" universe and its parallel dimensions included. anyway, I don't care enough about db Canon to debate this.
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how can it be outside the universe but still in the universe?
 
Reiner said:
other universes wasn't established at this point is not a proof besides a scan will be appreciated if it's a part of the universe as frieza statement already contradicts it whatsover.
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the point here is that at this point in the franchise there was no established multiverse, everything was part of a universe composed of small parallel dimensions. And about freeza, the speech doesn't help you at all, since he just remembered something that had already been established in dbz, where the room of time is completely isolated from the conventional universe. we can call Dragon ball cosmology a macrocosm, a set of dimensions in a single one.
Aachintya31 said:
Multiverse wasn't introduced so therefore by default becomes part of universe 7 is a bad argument. You do agree that its a dimension outside conventional universe ? There is nothing such as an unconventional universe
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not a bad argument, since as the multiverse was not yet established, the dimensions defaulted to the dimensions of the universe. as I've said before, we can call universe 7 a tiny multiverse. And yes, I agree with the room of time separate from the conventional universe. conventional universe that I am referring to would be the universe where all events occur. what I'm trying to say is that, the room of time is separate from the conventional universe, but at the same time included in the parallel dimensions of universe 7.
 
This seems uncontroversial to apply.

What are the current conclusions here?
 
Antvasima said:
This seems uncontroversial to apply.

What are the current conclusions here?
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Still waiting for supporters to give evidence or logic for ROSAT to be considered part of the universe. @Irineu gave a good reasoning that other universes weren't established at this moment which I am not sure if enough.
 
Toby020 said:
I also think
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I am using what's supposedly are the discussion rules :
"We do not use the Daizenshuu (and guides based on Daizenshuu) as a reliable source to determine Universe 7's size because many claims regarding universe's size and structure like the existence of four galaxies, or them existing infinitely, the universe being infinite, the afterlife being infinite, etc. have been found contradictory. The cosmology is subject to change only if we get new information from the ongoing anime/manga."
 
Reiner said:
Whose Cosmology are accepted to be same here stated by AKM and mentioned in many thread and rules that information from manga/anime can change it.
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I think AKM shouldn't be mentioned here, she doesn't want to talk about DB anymore, I also think her arguments about the verse are unfair.
 
Toby020 said:
I think AKM shouldn't be mentioned here, she doesn't want to talk about DB anymore, I also think her arguments about the verse are unfair.
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These are rules and we follow them, Cosmology of manga/anime is composite here on wiki. We treat Cosmology of manga canon to anime.
 
Aachintya31 said:
I am using what's supposedly are the discussion rules :
"We do not use the Daizenshuu (and guides based on Daizenshuu) as a reliable source to determine Universe 7's size because many claims regarding universe's size and structure like the existence of four galaxies, or them existing infinitely, the universe being infinite, the afterlife being infinite, etc. have been found contradictory. The cosmology is subject to change only if we get new information from the ongoing anime/manga."
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I'm laughing a lot at this, my God, there are not only four Galaxies, they are sectors observed by the Kaioshins, apart from the fact that the work itself refutes their arguments, where there are countless galaxies and infinite Galaxies in DB, and in DBS several existing Galaxies are presented, you don't know how to interpret things, now I understand why the DB is nerfed here, the databook was made by Akira toriyama, do you even want to contract that?
 
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Reiner said:
@Toby020 I'll suggest to take a breath and calm first. Let the supporters and those who knows the rules handle it. You are new and do not know much how we handle things here on site.
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but i'm cool lol, just laughing a little, for the misinterpretation here and there, i think DB really should go through people who understand the verse, DB needs a rough revision, so it doesn't work same

Four Galaxies, lol
 
Antvasima said:
This seems uncontroversial to apply.
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The subject in question directly ties back to the Multiverse being 2-C.
Aachintya31 said:
Cosmology and Scaling are different things
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How come? The two are, at the end of the day, very distinct and separate mediums and continuities. Nothing suggests that the two intersect at any point, so why should the two cosmologies intersect? If statements from the manga can be applied to the anime, then anime Beerus should have Ultra Ego, and anime Zamasu should have Mid-Godly Regeneration.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The subject in question directly ties back to the Multiverse being 2-C.
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as I said, this is only about U7. Nothing about multiverse and seprate universes.
Nullflowerblush said:
How come? The two are, at the end of the day, very distinct and separate mediums and continuities. Nothing suggests that the two intersect at any point, so why should the two cosmologies intersect? If statements from the manga can be applied to the anime, then anime Beerus should have Ultra Ego, and anime Zamasu should have Mid-Godly Regeneration.
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Rules sorry.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
How come? The two are, at the end of the day, very distinct and separate mediums and continuities. Nothing suggests that the two intersect at any point, so why should the two cosmologies intersect? If statements from the manga can be applied to the anime, then anime Beerus should have Ultra Ego, and anime Zamasu should have Mid-Godly Regeneration.
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tbf, i am just using that scan as a tertiary canon to what's unclear and vague.
 
Reiner said:
as I said, this is only about U7.
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The thing that OP found on a few of the profiles? That is this.
Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
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The Multiverse is considered a 2-C structure, rather than a Low 2-C structure, because of the logic revolving around the Room of Spirit and Time. This thread is a verse-wide revision.
 
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