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So there I was one day, doing CloverDragon things, procrastinating on the homework I probably should've been doing, when I suddenly became curious about the famously cryptic ending of Dragon Ball GT. Like many, I wondered just what happened to Goku at the end, and that brings me to this CRT.
For reference, any quotes I include come from this interview with Atsushi Maekawa, scriptwriter for Dragon Ball GT.
So first off, why should we remove the Future Goku key? Simple: Future Goku has absolutely zero feats. He only appears twice: in the "A Hero's Legacy" movie, and in the final part of GT's final episode. In both cases, he doesn't showcase any AP feats. In addition, while he has a few extra abilities, they can still exist in the new key I propose. In fact, this new key will include Future Goku, but is a little broader in scope. Let me explain.
As we know, Omega Shenron "nearly kills" Goku (possibly actually killed him) with a Negative Karma Ball. Later, Goku emerges from the crater created, charging up the Universal Spirit Bomb, and is completely unaffected by Omega's attacks, including a Negative Karma Ball. Clearly, something's changed, and Maekawa explains this in the interview with him:
Q: "Where did Goku go on Shenlong’s back at the very end?"
A: "To be honest, in GT episode 63, just before the final episode, a big change comes over Goku. Those who watched carefully might have noticed, but… In that episode, Goku, who takes Yi Xing Long‘s attack, sinks to the bottom of a deep hole. That is the turning point. Afterward, Goku still continues the battle, but what’s different from before is that he’s cloaked in an aura that won’t let any attack near him. It might be that he died there, or it might be that he became something else entirely. I’ll leave that decision to the imaginations of everyone who watched. However, the Goku up to that point that everyone knows clearly does not appear after that."
So, what we can gather is that regardless of if Omega actually killed Goku with that Negative Karma Ball, the result is that Goku emerges from it, no longer the same Goku we once knew, and he's "cloaked in an aura that won't let any attack near him." This is the Goku that goes off with Shenron in the final episode of GT and reappears 100 years later in "A Hero's Legacy" and at the World Martial Arts Tournament match between Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr.
As a result, we should replace the "Future Goku" key with a "Post-Negative Karma Ball" key.
Now, how will the statistics go? Well for starters, the Universal Spirit Bomb would be moved to this new key, as this is when he actually creates and fires it. As for his physical stats, though, things get tricky...
On the one hand, he is unaffected by all of Omega's attacks, which makes me think his durability would be 3-A, then his AP would be 3-A due to how ki works for all stats, not just some - something which is already accepted on the wiki. However...
So, if this is 3-A durability, his stats would be: 3-A, far higher with Universal Spirit Bomb
If this is Invulnerability, his stats would be: Unknown, 3-A with Universal Spirit Bomb (+ Invulnerability)
Edit: We are also discussing two abilities: Dimensional Travel for Shenron, as he could bring Goku to Hell to see Piccolo, and Type 7 Immortality for Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku due to being stated to have died. The staff in the "Agree" section have all agreed to these two abilities
This has been on my mind ever since I looked into the GT ending, so I hope this doesn't end up amounting to nothing. Regardless, I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this. And, of course, remember to keep things civil.
Agree: @Nierre (3-A), @LordGinSama (3-A), @Braking (Invulnerability), @DarkDragonMedeus (3-A), @SamanPatou (Is fine with 3-A), @Vizer04 (Power Nullification), @Adem_Warlock69 (3-A), @Arnoldstone18 (3-A), @Therefir (3-A), @Eseseso (3-A), @LuffyRuffy46307 (3-A)
Disagree:
Neutral:
For reference, any quotes I include come from this interview with Atsushi Maekawa, scriptwriter for Dragon Ball GT.
So first off, why should we remove the Future Goku key? Simple: Future Goku has absolutely zero feats. He only appears twice: in the "A Hero's Legacy" movie, and in the final part of GT's final episode. In both cases, he doesn't showcase any AP feats. In addition, while he has a few extra abilities, they can still exist in the new key I propose. In fact, this new key will include Future Goku, but is a little broader in scope. Let me explain.
As we know, Omega Shenron "nearly kills" Goku (possibly actually killed him) with a Negative Karma Ball. Later, Goku emerges from the crater created, charging up the Universal Spirit Bomb, and is completely unaffected by Omega's attacks, including a Negative Karma Ball. Clearly, something's changed, and Maekawa explains this in the interview with him:
Q: "Where did Goku go on Shenlong’s back at the very end?"
A: "To be honest, in GT episode 63, just before the final episode, a big change comes over Goku. Those who watched carefully might have noticed, but… In that episode, Goku, who takes Yi Xing Long‘s attack, sinks to the bottom of a deep hole. That is the turning point. Afterward, Goku still continues the battle, but what’s different from before is that he’s cloaked in an aura that won’t let any attack near him. It might be that he died there, or it might be that he became something else entirely. I’ll leave that decision to the imaginations of everyone who watched. However, the Goku up to that point that everyone knows clearly does not appear after that."
So, what we can gather is that regardless of if Omega actually killed Goku with that Negative Karma Ball, the result is that Goku emerges from it, no longer the same Goku we once knew, and he's "cloaked in an aura that won't let any attack near him." This is the Goku that goes off with Shenron in the final episode of GT and reappears 100 years later in "A Hero's Legacy" and at the World Martial Arts Tournament match between Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr.
As a result, we should replace the "Future Goku" key with a "Post-Negative Karma Ball" key.
Now, how will the statistics go? Well for starters, the Universal Spirit Bomb would be moved to this new key, as this is when he actually creates and fires it. As for his physical stats, though, things get tricky...
On the one hand, he is unaffected by all of Omega's attacks, which makes me think his durability would be 3-A, then his AP would be 3-A due to how ki works for all stats, not just some - something which is already accepted on the wiki. However...
- This state of Goku is "cloaked in an aura that won't let any attack near him." It doesn't specify Omega Shenron, or anyone really.
- If Goku scaled above Omega Shenron, he wouldn't have needed the Universal Spirit Bomb to begin with.
So, if this is 3-A durability, his stats would be: 3-A, far higher with Universal Spirit Bomb
If this is Invulnerability, his stats would be: Unknown, 3-A with Universal Spirit Bomb (+ Invulnerability)
Edit: We are also discussing two abilities: Dimensional Travel for Shenron, as he could bring Goku to Hell to see Piccolo, and Type 7 Immortality for Post-Negative Karma Ball Goku due to being stated to have died. The staff in the "Agree" section have all agreed to these two abilities
This has been on my mind ever since I looked into the GT ending, so I hope this doesn't end up amounting to nothing. Regardless, I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this. And, of course, remember to keep things civil.
Agree: @Nierre (3-A), @LordGinSama (3-A), @Braking (Invulnerability), @DarkDragonMedeus (3-A), @SamanPatou (Is fine with 3-A), @Vizer04 (Power Nullification), @Adem_Warlock69 (3-A), @Arnoldstone18 (3-A), @Therefir (3-A), @Eseseso (3-A), @LuffyRuffy46307 (3-A)
Disagree:
Neutral:
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