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I will have that done, thank you very much!toby should contact some staff to valuate the thread
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I will have that done, thank you very much!toby should contact some staff to valuate the thread
well, i also agree, but still have basis for 3-A with the declarationsI'll lean on agree with 3-B Buu, neutral on 3-A
no problemI will have that done, thank you very much!
Beerus can destroy the Kaioshin Realm with Hakai, a technique that Kid Buu doesn't have.Confirmed that it was Beerus who sealed the old kaioshin and that he had enough potential to destroy the kaioshin realm.
In the Spanish version it is also said that Kid Boo can destroy the universe.
In another English translation, Goku says that Kid Buu would take the universe in a "Poof", herms, the translator of the scans in the kanzenshuu, confirmed that the translation is correct.
Herms(Todd Blankenship) confirming that the translation is correct.
Answer link on twitter:
In the legendary manga it says that Boo can destroy the universe.
To be fair with Frieza it's more than he would just enslave the entire universe, which we know he's already doing as of now, but if Goku won't stop him then there'd be no one to stop Frieza from a total universal dominionStatements about "destroying the universe" are usually very hyperbolic. Even Frieza has a statement like that.
Incorrect, he had the position for at least 200+ million years as stated in the 5th episode of Dragon Ball Super, "Showdown on King Kai's world! Goku vs. Beerus the destroyer!"supposedly Bills should have just gained the position of God of Destruction, it is mentioned that he was inferior to Majin Boo, after training he must have reached what he is today, so the Majin Boo is scaled above the beerus of that time, which was enough to obliterate the entire Kaio kingdom, said in the work itself.
Well, i guess that makes sense tooTo be fair with Frieza it's more than he would just enslave the entire universe, which we know he's already doing as of now, but if Goku won't stop him then there'd be no one to stop Frieza from a total universal dominion
The first part of this is headcanon, show me a single scan that supports this.Beerus can destroy the Kaioshin Realm with Hakai, a technique that Kid Buu doesn't have.
Statements about "destroying the universe" are usually very hyperbolic. Even Frieza has a statement like that.
Toby is using the manga, why are you referring to a anime episode as a refutation?Incorrect, he had the position for at least 200+ million years as stated in the 5th episode of Dragon Ball Super, "Showdown on King Kai's world! Goku vs. Beerus the destroyer!"
the super anime is considered a canon continuation of the db manga hereToby is using the manga, why are you referring to a anime episode as a refutation?
OFC IT IS, everyday I find out new things about this wikithe super anime is considered a canon continuation of the db manga here
i mean, it is on goku's profileOFC IT IS, everyday I find out new things about this wiki
How big is the rock? I'm curious.OFC IT IS, everyday I find out new things about this wiki
I wasn’t reading allati mean, it is on goku's profile
"Naturally, it wouldn’t have been proper for him to destroy the Kaiōshin Realm itself" could either refer to, in-universe, Beerus having the power to destroy the Realm of the Kai at the time and choosing against that, or, out-of-universe, Toriyama choosing an action for Beerus to take that was less extreme and less impactful on the greater universe. The former is the likelier answer, but...that he had enough potential to destroy the kaioshin realm.
Since when was Goku a reliable narrator on cosmology?it is said that Kid boo can destroy the universe.
Seems flowery and is also largely unsubstantiated.In the legendary manga it says that Boo can destroy the universe.
Vegeta explicitly requested to receive energy from Earth exclusively.It took a Universal Genkidama to kill Kid Buu.
Does not backscale to the Z pages.I'm going to use the Dragon Ball Super chapter as a base
Majin Buu being more powerful than Beerus is a literal joke. Besides, it's implied that Beerus is more powerful than MUI Goku even in the Moro Arc anyway, so this wouldn't apply regardlessbut what arguments is this? kaioshin makes it clear in the scan that Majin Buu is said to be more powerful, sorry, but I don't want to waste my time with bait, it is described several times that Majin Buu can destroy the entire universe, about genkidama being gathered only by the earth you are wrong, it was also gathered by nameke, quoted in the anime and manga that it was all energy in the universe, your argument phony doesn't refute my scans, okay? In the Moro arc, Uub's energy was shown to be enough to restore all the energy of the superior instinct and not its resistance, could you read the scans, please?
I love how you bring in vague statements to try dismissing the actual facts we see. We see that SSJ3 Goku is around equal to Buu to the point where they can throw hands pretty well. We also know that a stronger SSJ3 Goku is literal garbage in comparison to Beerus. In fact, even the more powerful Super Saiyan God Goku was nowhere near his level, and that doesn't even regard the fact that MUI Goku is weaker too lolyou know that all this happened 75 million years ago, right? And that every God of Destruction is trained to become a god? so even Akira toriyama's own word is in the middle, no there's no way to disagree with anything, except accepting the harsh reality, as I said above, in the manga and anime it is mentioned that energy was gathered by the entire universe, if you're going to talk, bring proof of this and not false testimonies.
He was stated to have God Ki in the Moro arc, no?Yeah Kid Buu definitely don't posess god ki (or at least never used it, likely cause it never knew how to) for the simple fact he could be sensed. God ki cannot be sensed and it'd be instantly noticable if that would happen
Not exactly. He was said to inherit his "god powers", but even if it was god ki, Kid Buu clearly never learned how to use them, and was likely too stupid to even understand how to use itHe was stated to have God Ki in the Moro arc, no?
Beerus from seventy-five million years ago.Majin Buu being more powerful than Beerus is a literal joke.
Oh. That becomes much more difficult to properly answer. Even then, I'm not sure if you could really give a 3B rating unless we have solid feats from the Beerus of that time. Still, him being "dangerous" rather than outright more powerful is also susBeerus from seventy-five million years ago.
done is there, Is there a quote from the creator himself?Oh. That becomes much more difficult to properly answer. Even then, I'm not sure if you could really give a 3B rating unless we have solid feats from the Beerus of that time. Still, him being "dangerous" rather than outright more powerful is also sus
done is there, Is there a quote from the creator himself?
Now just accept reality
beerus would destroy the kaioshin realm that is Kaioshin Realm = 1/10 of the macrocosm = Several Galaxies.Okay, and how is this tier 3? Have any evidence that Beerus for 75 millions years before Super even starts would be tier 3?
Is it ever said how he would destroy the Kaioshin Realm though? Could it be via Hakai? He should have it as even a GoD Candidate like Toppo was able to use it.beerus would destroy the kaioshin realm that is Kaioshin Realm = 1/10 of the macrocosm = Several Galaxies
it's the beerus of the past, don't get things wrong, beerus must have evolved during that long time that it was inferior to Majin Buu, and the Majin Buu race is not mortal lolA mortal surpassing the GoD of the universe is extremely rare. So rare in fact, that Beerus was shocked when he heard about Jiren from U11, who is more powerful than Belmod. And that statement of Beerus being < Buu was clearly retconned in Super by how he smacked around SSJ3 Goku like it was nothing, seeing his power as unimpressive, and that even a SSG couldn't even bring him close to full power. Elder Kai was also extremely terrified of Beerus even though they never interacted for 75 million years, and even though he knows Goku is stronger than Buu now
A God of Destruction being weaker than even a mortal who just started to use God Ki (Goku and Vegeta just before RoF), is absolutely ludicrous
it is not mentioned anywhere, but also beerus does not need the hakai to destroy a galaxy, despite the exchange of punches with Goku showing this.Is it ever said how he would destroy the Kaioshin Realm though? Could it be via Hakai? He should have it as even a GoD Candidate like Toppo was able to use it.
This is completely unrelated to my argument, Beerus was much weaker 75 million years before his battle with SSG Goku.beerus does not need the hakai to destroy a galaxy, despite the exchange of punches with Goku showing this
No, the Beerus of the past is still the GoD of U7, and again, a mortal surpassing a God is extremely rare. In fact, in places such as U11, even a being as powerful as Toppo is not ready to replace Belmod as the new GoD. Besides, Moro existed even before Buu have attacked, and Moro was even more powerful than him, yet Beerus would be so weak even the Supreme Kai surpass him??? That's laughable, since if he'd really be that much weaker than he wouldn't have even be able to seal the Old Kaiit's the beerus of the past, don't get things wrong, beerus must have evolved during that long time that it was inferior to Majin Buu,
Do you have a proof for that??? Buu isn't a god like the kais or Beerus. Buu is a creature that existed for a very long time, but nothing in the manga says he lives foreverand the Majin Buu race is not mortal lol
yes he was, in fact any large scale Ki attack should be enough to obliterate a galaxy, even though he is weak lolThis is completely unrelated to my argument, Beerus was much weaker 75 million years before his battle with SSG Goku.