Dragon Ball and Space Survival

[SamanPatou]

A dragojillion of DB characters still have the old Resistance to Radiations and Cold for being able to survive in space, but this duo of abilities has become outdated the moment we gave birth to the much better Space Survival.
This thread is only to officialize the replacement.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Simple enough

 

[Damage3245]

Not every character would get this though, right? Goku currently has resistance to radiations and cold for example but Saiyans cannot survive in space itself.

 

[SamanPatou]

Of course, only characters that receive it due to being explicitly able to survive in there.
And now that I think of it, we might want to check again on characters like Dodoria and Zarbon and maybe others, who iirc are never shown to survive in space outside of perhaps the games.

I might list some sus ones while I wait for the 48h countdown.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A dragojillion of DB characters still have the old Resistance to Radiations and Cold for being able to survive in space, but this duo of abilities has become outdated the moment we gave birth to the much better Space Survival.
This thread is only to officialize the replacement.

About Cold resistance is because it is said in DB that space is much colder than where Broly and Goku fought, said by Whis himself.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Don't mind replacing the ability with space survival for the characters that should have it.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The characters should still have resistance to cold considering that the Space Survival only grants a minor resistance to it

 

[SwordLegendz01]

If it's about someone being able to survive or travel in space, I don't agree. Because this is the opposite of what is on the Space Survival page. They offer only minor resistance whereas we have scans that favor cooler outer space.

About Cold resistance is because it is said in DB that space is much colder than where Broly and Goku fought, said by Whis himself.

Also for other Saiyans it would be difficult as they are not really capable of surviving in space.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

This wouldn't work for dragon ball for two reasons stated above

1) space in dragon ball is a lot colder on dragon ball than what that page described, as its colder then the artic region they fought broly in

2) Saiyans don't breathe on space but resist cold temperature and radiations s they're out, basically anyone who trained the HTC would also have more than minor cold resistances as well


In the end you're still going to have to index the cold resistance separately, would be best to leave it the way it is imo

 

[SamanPatou]

About Cold resistance is because it is said in DB that space is much colder than where Broly and Goku fought, said by Whis himself.

Then we could keep the resistance to cold but only for the canons in continuity with the Broly movie (i.e og manga and the two supers), but radiations has to go, as it's already covered by Space Survival.

The characters should still have resistance to cold considering that the Space Survival only grants a minor resistance to it

Space Survival is meant to cover that too, it's written in the page itself, because space in fiction is wonky and never treated realistically, so surviving in space as a general ability was deemed better than trying to find a lot of compromises.
Resistance to Cold should stay only for the statement above because of DB's own rules on space physics.

If it's about someone being able to survive or travel in space, I don't agree. Because this is the opposite of what is on the Space Survival page. They offer only minor resistance whereas we have scans that favor cooler outer space.
Also for other Saiyans it would be difficult as they are not really capable of surviving in space.

See what I've said above. Also saiyans wouldn't have it, as I said in a previous post too.

This wouldn't work for dragon ball for two reasons stated above

Again see what I've stated above.
We still have Toei, GT and other continuities that don't benefit from the Broly Movie statement.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

So dbs anime cold resistance + space survival and toei, GT and DBE space survival only. Makes sense

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Aain see what I've stated above.
We still have Toei, GT and other continuities that don't benefit from the Broly Movie statement.

That's fine, if the canon statement doesn't carry over to toei, then sure

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm fine with this

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Then we could keep the resistance to cold but only for the canons in continuity with the Broly movie (i.e og manga and the two supers), but radiations has to go, as it's already covered by Space Survival.

Yeah, that's fine with me, as long as she stays for me

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Space Survival is meant to cover that too, it's written in the page itself, because space in fiction is wonky and never treated realistically, so surviving in space as a general ability was deemed better than trying to find a lot of compromises.
Resistance to Cold should stay only for the statement above because of DB's own rules on space physics.

Exactly, i agree with that

 

[Vietthai96]

Oh shit, is this thread concluded to apply???

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Oh shit, is this thread concluded to apply???

In about 6 hrs

 

[SamanPatou]

Ok, the list below will contain all the characters affected by this change. Some are obvious, others need more scrutiny, as they might not receive any ability altogether and will instead lose the one they currently have.
I'll ask for opinions and possible help, so bear with me.

Characters affected only by the switch: Frieza (Z), (DBSA) and (DBSM), King Cold, Cell (Z) and (Toei), Cell Jr., Majin Buu (Z), (Toei), (DBS Manga) and (Heroes) Frost, Future Zamasu, Fusion Zamasu (Anime), Manga and Heroes, Jiren (Manga), Shin, Gowasu, Beerus and all the Hakaishin, Whis and all the angels, Zeno, Super Shenron, Moro, Dai Kaioshin (DBS Manga) and Toei, Granolah, Gas, Kuriza,, Bojack, Zangya, Cooler, Chilled, South Kaioshin, (here I got tired of adding links so you'll get just the names), Chronoa ((Xeno and Heroes), Aigos, Android 21 I'll get to the other Heroes folks later for efficiency's sake.

Questionable. I don't remember seeing these characters surviving or even just being exposed to outer space, so I kindly ask for help in finding evidences, otherwise the ability will just be gone: Zarbon, Dodoria, the entire Ginyu Force, Jaco, Cui, Tagoma, Shisami, Android 16, Hit, Goku Black (Anime and Manga), Jiren (anime) and all the Pride Troopers, Shenron, Porunga, 73, Hatchiyack, Androids 13, 14 and 15, Cyclopian Guards, Dr. Wheelo, Pikkon, Abo and Kado, Lord Slug, Cooler's Grunts, Turles's Grunts, Janemba, Hirudegarn, Grand Kai, Rilldo and his Toys, Hell 17, Super 17, All the Shadow Dragons

I'm afraid a whole lot of the aforementioned were given the resistance/survivability because of "logic", but while for most of them it could be implied, the same could be said for many others, but without evidences we can't just slap it on them because yes.

 

[Vietthai96]

Chronoa ((Xeno and Heroes), Aigos, Android 21 I'll get to the other Heroes folks later for efficiency's sake.

Due to my stupidity mistaking that the thread is accepted, i already applied space survival to some of Heroes profiles like CC Goku and CC Vegeta 15 hours ago

• Space Survival: Can survive in space
  • Resistance to Extreme Cold: In Dragon Ball space is extremely cold[8][9]

 

[Vietthai96]

Sorry for double posts, but i will apply this thread for game characters when i get back home from work

 

[SamanPatou]

We've already sorted out the deal for saiyans. I left the Heroes gang for later because I'm pretty ignorant on that and I'm not aware of any shenanigan that makes saiyans capable of surviving in space or showings of other characters doing so.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, all game characters that have profiles on our site can survive in space due to either Toei Anime and Movies being canon to game or show actual feat in game

 

[SamanPatou]

We changed the standards for Toei saiyans a while ago, reaching the conclusion they still can't survive in space indefinitely, only for a relevant, yet limited, amount of time.
And now that I think of it, I've never applied that CRT, I straight up forgot about it, but it was concluded, so I guess I'll just integrate it in this one.
Toei folks have "Limited Space Survival", that's it.

 

[Vietthai96]

We changed the standards for Toei saiyans a while ago, reaching the conclusion they still can't survive in space indefinitely, only for a relevant, yet limited, amount of time.
And now that I think of it, I've never applied that CRT, I straight up forgot about it, but it was concluded, so I guess I'll just integrate it in this one.
Toei folks have "Limited Space Survival", that's it.

Oke, but Heroes and Xenoverse characters (and some characters from other games that belong to the same multiverse like Fusion) have feat fighting in outer space for very long time, so full-blown Space Survival for them is fine, other Saiyan game characters (if they have profile) will be edited accordingly to that CRT of your

 

[SamanPatou]

Sure, just provide evidence for them, if possible.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Questionable. I don't remember seeing these characters surviving or even just being exposed to outer space, so I kindly ask for help in finding evidences, otherwise the ability will just be gone: Zarbon, Dodoria, the entire Ginyu Force, Jaco, Cui, Tagoma, Shisami, Android 16, Hit, Goku Black (Anime and Manga), Jiren (anime) and all the Pride Troopers, Shenron, Porunga, 73, Hatchiyack, Androids 13, 14 and 15, Cyclopian Guards, Dr. Wheelo, Pikkon, Abo and Kado, Lord Slug, Cooler's Grunts, Turles's Grunts, Janemba, Hirudegarn, Grand Kai, Rilldo and his Toys, Hell 17, Super 17, All the Shadow Dragons

• Jaco (I think with his suit)
• Android 16 (Because he's totally mechanical?/Inorganic Physiology [Type 2])
• Hit (Shown here)
• Goku Black (Anime) (I think in his profile it's for Zamasu's key. However, he seems to be breathing and speaking well after swapping with Goku's body while in the middle of space)
• 73 (Same as 16?)

The rest, I don't know. Maybe someone can find what I didn't.

 

[SamanPatou]

Thanks a lot for the contribution! I was certain the resistance was given to 16 and 73 for their mechanical nature, but all possibilities regarding their survivability in environments hostile to biological humans is already covered by Inorganic Phisiology, which is the reason why we don't given resistance to biology, blood, mind, bone etc... and a bunch of other powers to all of them.

Jaco would require more scrutiny, I'll try to look at Galactic Patrolman later. Hit should be fine, the planetoid is a Super Dragon Ball in disguise and others need divine barriers to stand on it iirc. Goku Black might warrant a possibly, though that could fall under his brief permanence or be just a little oversight.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Thanks a lot for the contribution! I was certain the resistance was given to 16 and 73 for their mechanical nature, but all possibilities regarding their survivability in environments hostile to biological humans is already covered by Inorganic Phisiology, which is the reason why we don't given resistance to biology, blood, mind, bone etc... and a bunch of other powers to all of them.

Jaco would require more scrutiny, I'll try to look at Galactic Patrolman later. Hit should be fine, the planetoid is a Super Dragon Ball in disguise and others need divine barriers to stand on it iirc. Goku Black might warrant a possibly, though that could fall under his brief permanence or be just a little oversight.

Rilldo and the other robots all because they are a robot if I'm not mistaken

 

[SamanPatou]

Yeah, same story as the others, sweep it under inorganic physiology l.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah, same story as the others, sweep it under inorganic physiology l.

The cooler of the same breed as Frieza was shown to survive in the vacuum of space, when it was hit by Goku's Kamehameha, He was still alive, but when the sun hit him he left for the better, lol

 

[SamanPatou]

Yeah, I had put him in the "sure" category, like all Frieza's brethren.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah, I had put him in the "sure" category, like all Frieza's brethren.

Phew, less bad

About the Kaioshin, if I'm not mistaken, they can breathe in the vacuum of space, this was presented in the Moro saga, where the great Kaioshin fights against Moro for the first time before being absorbed by Majin Buu in a kind of meteor and and later fought Moro in the vacuum of space

[Weekly ☆ Character Showcase #110: The Great Supreme Kai from Dragon Ball Super!] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE

Great Supreme Kai - Dragon Ball Super - The Weekly ☆ Character Show

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[SamanPatou]

The kaioshins are also in the sure switch category for that reason, check the lists better, it'll save work.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Zarbon, Dodoria, the entire Ginyu Force, Cui, Tagoma, Shisami

Can we assume that the Frieza Force is capable of surviving in the upper atmosphere? Like a Saiyan, I think that would justify it like this

"Extreme Cold & Cosmic Radiation" downgrade to "Cold & Radiation"

 

[AwkguyDB]

bump

 

[ProudLearner]

bump

 

[SamanPatou]

Apologies to everyone, I left this thread behind due to real life duties and travels.

So far I think we need justifications for the following characters. Note that I kept out characters who will have their justification replaced with some of the options agreed so far, such as resistance to cold and radiations for saiyan and Frieza soldiers which scale to Bardock and random grunts, but must be specified to be unable to survive in the depth of space, or inorganic characters whose resistance is covered by the physiology page (robots, full androids...)

• Jaco: A space suit was mentioned for him, does anyone have showings of it?
• Jiren (anime) and all the Pride Troopers: They lack the same showings as the manga counteparts
• Shenron, Porunga, Pikkon, Lord Slug, Janemba, Hirudegarn, Grand Kai, Hell 17, Super 17, All the Shadow Dragons: None of them has been exposed to space iirc.

 

[ProudLearner]

Goku and Pikkon fought each other in a pocket dimesion (Which had starry skies). Grand Kai won the race against East Kai and Goku in the same pocket dimension.

 

[SamanPatou]

Meh, they were already dead to start with and the otherworld is a weird place that doesn't really abide to conventional laws.

 

[ProudLearner]

Meh, they were already dead to start with

Vegeta (Toei), Nappa Toei), Bardock (Toei) have shown to have Space Survival. Goku (Toei) should have it too.

If they were already dead, then they will just get up and die. As we seen, with that filler episode on King Kai planet with the Z fighters vs Gynyu Force. Moreover, that did not happen so they have Space Survival same with the deities.

and the otherworld is a weird place that doesn't really abide to conventional laws.

I think you are thinking way too hard for something so simple.