Dr. Slump Mini Symposium (Adding Note and Clarification)

[Ss3micah]

So, the main purpose of this CRT is regarding this Blog

Dr. Slump Earth Size Blog

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Now many may have forgotten this monster called a CRT was dropped in the hopes of upscaling Dragon Ball's Earth Size and character AP scaling to incredibly high levels. To absolutely no one's surprise the CRT was rejected hard and never passed. I made a post saying I'd address the matter of the Dr. Slump Earth and DB characters not scaling to it at some point and pretty much put that on hold for God knows how long now.

So, I'm addressing it now. All the points, information and conclusion are addressed in the Blog itself. After reading the blog through thoroughly please make your standing regarding the Blog and its contents clear:

The following note will be added afterwards:
While it is accepted the World of Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball characters are shared, conflicting information and narrative inconsistencies established in both series prevents the notion of the Earth Size established in Dr. Slump can be reliably applicable to Dragon Ball. As such, do not try to attempt upgrading nor upscaling Dragon Ball characters to the size of the Earth established in Dr. Slump.

Votes:
Agree: Accelerated_Evolution, TheGreatBanana, Killerdrone123, ProfectusInfinity, DarkDragonMedeus, ChoursDropoff, Hasty12345, Dereck03,

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Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Just read through the blog, the evidence inside of it looks good

Although I personally don't like the idea of directly mentioning anyone (like the blog mentions the Youtube channel) as it could lead to instigating unnecessary drama

 

[TheGreatBanana]

After thoroughly reading everything into the blog, it all checks out and looks good. I agree.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Looks good I agree

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Incredible work, you never fail to impress! Having seen this beforehand, I agree with everything!

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

So as long as this is just for Dr Slump, I got no contentions with this.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I agree great work

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree

 

[Dereck03]

Sure, this may work.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

agreed.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I agree with the note.

However, I should mention that the blog may need to be adjusted since a Japanese speaker has told me about the translation being used is actually incorrect. Here's the Japanese dialogue from what I was told:

君、はっきり言ってこいつはすごいよ。なにしろ金星だからね。地球からの距離4千万キロメートル。地球を1千回回る距離じゃ。

Apparently the translation confused the last two sentences and combined "40 Million Kilometers" with "1,000x the circumference" to get "4 Billion Kilometers".

• 4千万 = 4 Ten Million
• キロメートル = kilometer
• 地球 = Earth
• 1千回 = (1) Thousand times
• 回る = Orbit / Rotation

So the planet isn't actually 4 Billion kilometers. It's 40,000 km with the object being 40 million km away.

 

[Qawsedf234]

directly mentioning anyone (like the blog mentions the Youtube channel) as it could lead to instigating unnecessary drama

Yeah that part would need to be removed. Mentioning the arguments is fine, but a person explicitly wouldn't be.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

I agree with the note.

However, I should mention that the blog may need to be adjusted since a Japanese speaker has told me about the translation being used is actually incorrect. Here's the Japanese dialogue from what I was told:


Apparently the translation confused the last two sentences and combined "40 Million Kilometers" with "1,000x the circumference" to get "4 Billion Kilometers".

• 4千万 = 4 Ten Million
• キロメートル = kilometer
• 地球 = Earth
• 1千回 = (1) Thousand times
• 回る = Orbit / Rotation

So the planet isn't actually 4 Billion kilometers. It's 40,000 km with the object being 40 million km away.

Weird.
I asked a machine translation [I known
its not The most accurate, but it's...something.]
And it basically said this:
You, let me be clear, this is amazing. After all, it's Venus. It's 40 million kilometers away from Earth. That's a distance equivalent to circling the Earth a thousand times."
Which using basic math, multiplying 40 million with 1000, gives us 40 billion kms.
So....uhh, we should definitely get a human translation for this.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Which using basic math, multiplying 40 million with 1000, gives us 40 billion kms.

Uh, you used the math wrong there.

. That's a distance equivalent to circling the Earth a thousand times."

That means 40 Million = Earth Circumference x 1,000.

You'd divide 40 Million by a thousand, not multiply it. So it would be 40,000 kilometers.

 

[Ss3micah]

I agree with the note.

However, I should mention that the blog may need to be adjusted since a Japanese speaker has told me about the translation being used is actually incorrect. Here's the Japanese dialogue from what I was told:


Apparently the translation confused the last two sentences and combined "40 Million Kilometers" with "1,000x the circumference" to get "4 Billion Kilometers".

• 4千万 = 4 Ten Million
• キロメートル = kilometer
• 地球 = Earth
• 1千回 = (1) Thousand times
• 回る = Orbit / Rotation

So the planet isn't actually 4 Billion kilometers. It's 40,000 km with the object being 40 million km away.

So this could be used to say the Venus and Earth is 40 Million KM apart then is what your saying right?

I agree with the note.

However, I should mention that the blog may need to be adjusted since a Japanese speaker has told me about the translation being used is actually incorrect. Here's the Japanese dialogue from what I was told:


Apparently the translation confused the last two sentences and combined "40 Million Kilometers" with "1,000x the circumference" to get "4 Billion Kilometers".

• 4千万 = 4 Ten Million
• キロメートル = kilometer
• 地球 = Earth
• 1千回 = (1) Thousand times
• 回る = Orbit / Rotation

So the planet isn't actually 4 Billion kilometers. It's 40,000 km with the object being 40 million km away.

Alright Qawsedf

Tell me what about the part in the blog that later on in the series shows that planet is the same size as a literal star?

That could be used to give us an at most / up to / possibly “rating” of the planet being the size of an average star, could it not?

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Uh, you used the math wrong there.

That means 40 Million = Earth Circumference x 1,000.

You'd divide 40 Million by a thousand, not multiply it. So it would be 40,000 kilometers.

Yeah...after reviewing it for a bit.
It's basically 40 million km = earth's circumference x 1000
Instead of earth's circumference = 40 million km x 1000.
Tho I'd like a human translation just to be 100% sure.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

You'd divide 40 Million by a thousand, not multiply it. So it would be 40,000 kilometers.

So basically the normal circumference of the earth?

 

[Qawsedf234]

So this could be used to say the Venus and Earth is 40 Million KM apart then is what your saying right?

Yeah

So basically the normal circumference of the earth?

Also yes

Tell me what about the part in the blog that later on in the series shows that planet is the same size as a literal star?

Well the main issue is that word for star used in those is just "Hoshi" or "Reflective Celestial Body". I mean the third image literally calls it a comet. So that's not the best evidence in my view.

/ up to / possibly “rating” of the planet being the size of an average star, could it not?

I could vaguely see that I guess.

 

[Ss3micah]

I mean the third image literally calls it a comet. So that's not the best evidence in my view.

If you check again, you will see that the star’s name. Like as in that’s literally the stars name. The same way you can name a hurricane, building, ocean etc. If you check again you will see that it’s called a star 3 times and that “comet” is only its NAME not what it actually is.

I could vaguely see that I guess.

Alright

 

[Qawsedf234]

If you check again, you will see that the star’s name

No I mean, in Japanese the word used for the entire thing is Hoshi which is "Reflective Celestial Body". It can mean a star, planet or comet depending on the context of the sentence. When Vegeta says he'll destroy the Earth he uses "Hoshi". When Frieza says he'll destroy Namek he uses "Hoshi". "Hoshi" is just a generic catch all term. So every usage of star can be translated to comet in this circumstance and still make grammatically sense.

 

[Ss3micah]

No I mean, in Japanese the word used for the entire thing is Hoshi which is "Reflective Celestial Body". It can mean a star, planet or comet depending on the context of the sentence. When Vegeta says he'll destroy the Earth he uses "Hoshi". When Frieza says he'll destroy Namek he uses "Hoshi". "Hoshi" is just a generic catch all term. So every usage of star can be translated to comet in this circumstance and still make grammatically sense.

Well if we play by the rules of Occam’s razor it would likely be a star. As going by consistency and depictions. There is a difference between the depiction of how stars and comets are portrayed.

I can show you scans later if you want but generally the matter is that the star shown in the scans is how stars are generally and consistently depicted in dr slump and even a few times in dragon ball. While comets have been shown/depicted very differently.

 

[Ss3micah]

No I mean, in Japanese the word used for the entire thing is Hoshi which is "Reflective Celestial Body". It can mean a star, planet or comet depending on the context of the sentence. When Vegeta says he'll destroy the Earth he uses "Hoshi". When Frieza says he'll destroy Namek he uses "Hoshi". "Hoshi" is just a generic catch all term. So every usage of star can be translated to comet in this circumstance and still make grammatically sense.

Well if we play by the rules of Occam’s razor it would likely be a star. As going by consistency and depictions. There is a difference between the depiction of how stars and comets are portrayed.

I can show you scans later if you want but generally the matter is that the star shown in the scans is how stars are generally and consistently depicted in dr slump and even a few times in dragon ball. While comets have been shown/depicted very differently.

Also a minor point that also helps substantiate this is that average stars are supposed to be to similar to size of the Sun and in the same scans talking about the earth being the size of a star you can see the Sun there as well as a size comparable to the Earth and Star as well.

So it again leans more to Hoshi here being in reference to star than comet.

 

[Ss3micah]

I could vaguely see that I guess.

Back to this thread after a long time.

I have redraft the a few points and concerns, primarily by Qwasdef, that have been brought up in this thread and redraft that blog to accommodate those points of issues accordingly.

After which I reached out to Qawsedf personally to get his re-evaluation of the new blog which he has sound satisfactory.

As for what the new conclusion here will be for this thread?
Well as stated in the redraft of the blog:
The Earth’s objective that can be used is the same as the IRL size of Earth. However given that it is also objective that celestial bodies can morph and change size, shape and design a “Likely/Possibly” rating will be given to notion of a “Star-Sized” Planet Earth.

And once again and as always, this size would not scale to Dragon Ball nor DB characters.

The note that should be added should be:
“It is objective that size of the Dr. Slump Earth is equivalent to IRL but it is also objective in the narrative that Celestial Bodies don’t operate as they would IRL and can change size, shape and form. As such a “Star Sized” Earth has been acknowledged and deemed valid under the label of a “likely/possibly” rating. This rating however is strictly to be used in connection with Dr. Slump characters and should not be used nor scaled to Dragon Ball characters.”

 

[Qawsedf234]

“It is objective that size of the Dr. Slump Earth is equivalent to IRL but it is also objective in the narrative that Celestial Bodies don’t operate as they would IRL and can change size, shape and form. As such a “Star Sized” Earth has been acknowledged and deemed valid under the label of a “likely/possibly” rating. This rating however is strictly to be used in connection with Dr. Slump characters and should not be used nor scaled to Dragon Ball characters.”

Yeah that's fine with me.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

Fine with me too. I agree.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

looks good, i agree