No. I'm refuting the fact that the author avatar is not transcendent to this work, therefore his actions do not qualify for Low 1-C. Any shenanigans, meta, plot wise, toon force, would not qualify for that level under our current Reality-Fiction transcendence page.Is he refuting this:
Do you think you can also refute 3-B Arale too? The current justification of "She surpassed Caramel Man 007" makes no mention of any 3-B feats
That's not the point of this thread. He can do that later
We are, that's kinda what I just said actually.
"Star level. possibly Multi-Galaxy level (Cracked the Sun and survived[99]. Withstood the destruction and collapse of a pocket dimension, which contained a replica of the kai world from Dragonball[64])"
I’m surprised the transcendence standards don’t address this thing about authors
I thought they did, if they don’t, then they should
This is quite simple. The reasonings given for Low 1-C hax for Arale aren't sufficient.
Her hax comes from scaling to a character (that doesn't have a profile by the way). This character is presented on Arale's profile to be the author of the series and has full control of the medium. This is not true. Toribot, while being the author avatar, exists in the same world as the rest of the characters and even has a house in the series. Toribot is equal to all other charactesr and subjected to the same physics and gags of the characters.
I cannot link the episode to this site, but you can find it where you watch anime it's Dr. Slump Arale-chan episode 59. For those who don't have time here:
Toriyama's House
Toriyama's House is the house of Tori-bot. He works on his comics here. It first appears in the chapter "The Time Stoppers" and in the episode "The Super Exciting Time Stop". Tori-Botdrslump.fandom.com
Screenshots from the episode showing the author avatar lives in the same world as the rest of the characters:
Proof that the author avatar lives in the same world as the characters. All instances of plot manipulation, reality warping, and toonforce is at the same level. There are no qualitive superior layers. In fact, the author avatar has to ask other characters for help with things such as, stopping time (episode 59), or erasing other characters (episode 240).
Here is evidence from the manga that shows the author exists within the same world as the rest of the cast and is not transcendent to them.
This also violates the Reality-Fiction Trancendence page where it says:
However, there are also factors that can speak against Reality-Fiction Transcendence, even if all of the above is given. Those include:
- The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.
- The characters from both realities are generally being portrayed as comparable in power
- The author character completely live in the fictional medium themselves. For example the author character might have a book that contains the world, but the author themselves are also a character in it and don't exist outside it any more than other characters of that world.
- The fictional characters being able to attack the real ones without being shown to somehow have transcended their fictional world or having special abilities that allow it. Such instances often have to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis to judge how they are best rated.
What even is your pointHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
A very good argument..... truly it is........
Maybe I should just give up on the whole Upgrade and let the Downgrade Happen
Anyways I agree to the downgrade
Let's let it happen people
THIS IS
I think he’s still making the refutation
More like IT'S BEEN MADE
I said that before getting the notification of your completed argument
ngl this kinda answered my doubts but I wanted to hear your response before I agreed to the op
I think it should be mentioned then that her AP scales to her durability
Can this be left alone for the moment please?
Go right ahead
Yet, on Arale's page they are using interactions with these avatars for proof. So if the avatars aren't transcendent, then they can't be use to support anything for Low 1-C for Arale.
What's your point? This is obvious.
Your not getting it it. There are two sets of avatar's at work here. There are the 3-D Avatars and the 5-D Avatars. The 5-D Avatars and worlds are NON-Fictional and are meant to by representations of the IRL Creators, Editors and Staff behind Dr. Slump hence why you see them. As Toriyama points out, they are not fictional, they have shown too many times perceive Arale and Co. as fictional and no fictional character interacts with them. The Toriyama avatars present in the Dr. Slump world is a fictional insert of the Non-Fictional Toriyama.
This is a BAD rebuttal. Slapping on..... It's fiction and it can work like that is not a proper debunk. Thats an argument to toss smth you cant explain under the rug and hope it stays there. I dont see numerous author avatars for Looney Toons, Mickey Mouse, Animaniacs and Tom and Jerry running around so clearly....... muh fiction is an inapplicable debunk. There are multiple avatars running around and I have provided a decent reason as to why, because as the lore entails everything thing in the pages of Dr. Slump is a drawing. I also provided context and proof that Author Avatars can install themselves into works of fiction. Your excuse for all this is "muh fiction and gags". Not a Debunk sir
That all the Toriyama's seen here are Drawings. Self inserts by the NON-FICTIONAL Toriyama as tori makes clear in his story of non-fiction, Dr. Slump characters dont exist there and are fictional drawings. He clearly states that the Non-Fictional Stories personally refer to him which is why you dont see Dr. Slump characters there and why Dr. Slump characters will never encounter them in their world. Want proof? Toriyama's SISTER is a NON-Fictional character that exists in the NON-Fictional stories with all the Non-Fictional Characters. There is no character in Dr. Slump that ever encounters Toriyama's sister. Why? Because they are fictional characters existing in a fictional world. The same world btw Tori's sister asks if he's writing. If Toriyama's Sister and the Dr. Slump characters exists on the same wave length then again show my proof of them interacting with her.
So wait if its a character in the story...... in th fictional story of Dr. Slump...... which character is it? Which character from the fictional story of Dr. Slump was already outside the boundaries of the animation that contains reality?
The scaling I can prove later, for now I am trying to understand something here. The entire dr slump reality exists on that Film Reel (unless YOU wanna say without proof of your own they exist past the film reel) which is a narrative instrument used to contain fiction. This guy is outside it and able to manipulate it in any way shape and form but somehow you think he's still bound to it despite clearly not being bound to it? And what else? I guess Toriyama and his roommate calling Arale a TV character and multiple characters acknowledging the same thing counts for nothing then
Once again, you completely ignore the Non-Fictional Stories
How did you deduce these as Author Notes? They are special segments that Toriyama dedicates to the explaining of the Non-Fictional state of himself, his life, those who he interacts with, the truth behind the Dr. Slump Manga and the lives of both himself and the Author Avatars. Again these are the scans that prove that Toriyama and the Author Avatars are not existing in a state of fiction AS HE STATES and he clearly makes it clear that any correlation to real life characters and events is literal.
Yeahh, cause you ignored all the Non-Fiction story material. You ignored Toriyama and his Room mate calling Arale a TV character. You ignored Tori calling other Dr. Slump characters TV characters. You ignored the fact Author Avatars can scripted themselves to be in fictional worlds. You ignored the fact that chaaracters clearly exist beyond the confines of the story claiming their part of the story and god alone knows you cant even identify who in the story it is, which fictional character resides OUTSIDE the medium the fiction is being animated on. You've also ignored that Tori himself states he cant be in any manga and also ignored the fact that Tori can oversee worlds and classify them as fictional
Yeah, he's a 3-D self insert of 5-D Tori. The same 5-D Tori that proclaims he can never appear in manga and considers Arale as a TV character not a character that she can interact with as Tori states from the Non-Fiction Stories, he is real and arale is literally a character from a dumb manga
You haven't disproved half my points and the reason why the True Toriyama is transcendent is because as he establishes NUMEROUS TIMES, he is none fictional why Arale is a Fictiona Character from a fictional manga and all the characters considered non-fictional knows everything about those considered fictional and regards them as fictional while Arale and co never interacts with these characters ever because guess what? There fictional.
Arale's profile has her being Low 1-C by scaling her to the authors you are claiming to be 3D. This cannot be anymore cut and dry.
I was about to get some sleep because im tired but I guess I can address this point at least
I think I totally agree with op now. Even if Toriyama has real 5D avatars, these avatars see the space in question as fictional as you said. Arale has done all of his achievements to 3D avatars that are the same size as him, in short, arale low 1C seems definitely wrong, of course, it has no feats against the 5D avatars you mentioned.
Can you type in a more annoying way? I am getting an aneurysm trying to read this. Why couldn't you have just made a simple and concise refutation instead of this shitty condescending braindamage
This CRT was created from the Beerus upgrade CRT, but... what does Arale's Low 1-C have to do with beerus? EE 5D comes from Beerus deleting Dr. Mashirito and possibly being able to erase Arale, two characters that withstood the EE of a 5D avatar (was it a 5D avatar?).
