Downgrade speed Dr. Stone

[Shadow_x007x]

This is an easy thread for their demotion.

From this line, Tsukasa states "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE BLAST RADIUS" which pretty much tells us that he doesn't have the speed to travel beyond a nitroglycerin explosion. which can move at a speed of 2000 m/s

Therefore we will demote them from 18,763.8296405 m/s (High Hypersonic+) leaving only 580.218134212 m/s (Supersonic) only

Bold = Staff
Accept: @Mr._Bambu , @Vzearr ,

Disagree: @DarkDragonMedeus , @wwereymy235 , @Arnoldstone18 , @Tatsumi504

 

[wwereymy235]

This is an easy thread for their demotion.

From this line, Tsukasa states "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE BLAST RADIUS" which pretty much tells us that he doesn't have the speed to travel beyond a nitroglycerin explosion. which can move at a speed of 2000 m/s

Therefore we will demote them from 18,763.8296405 m/s (High Hypersonic+) leaving only 580.218134212 m/s (Supersonic) only

Maybe it’s High Hypersonic+ combat speed rather than travel speed. There are characters that drive a vehicle even though they have combat speed feats that can be scaled to supersonic+.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Maybe it’s High Hypersonic+ combat speed rather than travel speed. There are characters that drive a vehicle even though they have combat speed feats that can be scaled to supersonic+.

Even though the profile says High Hypersonic+ is combat, the calculation that resulted in High Hypersonic+ was the speed at which Tsukasa ran to help her sister. That is the speed of travel.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Even though the profile says High Hypersonic+ is combat, the calculation that resulted in High Hypersonic+ was the speed at which Tsukasa ran to help her sister. That is the speed of travel.

That isn't travel speed per say. It's possible for fictional characters to travel short distances extremely quickly in combat, it only becomes travel speed when when they do so across long distances for long periods of time

 

[Vzearr]

Agree with the OP, I would also like to add that the calculation uses real life throwing speed even thought "Hyoga" isn't throwing the spear. The distance is also contradictory, the calc used 0.4 cm but somehow Tsukasa is able to fit between her and the spear ? I also don't like pixel scaling the anime version of the spear to use for a manga feat. Also didn't Senku (A genius) want to use guns to kill Tsukasa ? But he's somehow 30x faster then them.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Agree with the OP, I would also like to add that the calculation uses real life throwing speed even thought "Hyoga" isn't throwing the spear. The distance is also contradictory, the calc used 0.4 cm but somehow Tsukasa is able to fit between her and the spear ?

This is what I thought too. Using the throwing speed before the character has yet to throw it can cause the results to be too high, and finding the POV between Mirai and the screen before subtracting the length of the spear tip results in extremely low distance. We only got a distance of 0.4 cm, which seemed too low.

Also didn't Senku (A genius) want to use guns to kill Tsukasa ? But he's somehow 30x faster then them.

Senku thought that just a gun could stop Mozu, but it couldn't stop him. Mozu was much weaker than Hyoga who used the Kudayari spear, and Hyoga who used the Kudayari spear was much weaker than Tsukasa, which was a very logical reason. Suffice it to say that Tsukasa should be able to defeat a bullet.

 

[Vzearr]

This is what I thought too. Using the throwing speed before the character has yet to throw it can cause the results to be too high, and finding the POV between Mirai and the screen before subtracting the length of the spear tip results in extremely low distance. We only got a distance of 0.4 cm, which seemed too low.

Yep

Senku thought that just a gun could stop Mozu, but it couldn't stop him. Mozu was much weaker than Hyoga who used the Kudayari spear, and Hyoga who used the Kudayari spear was much weaker than Tsukasa, which was a very logical reason. Suffice it to say that Tsukasa should be able to defeat a bullet.

I see, I take that part of my argument back then.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

I wouldn’t use the term much weaker but yeah you’re right

Disagree with downgrade.

 

[Vzearr]

I wouldn’t use the term much weaker but yeah you’re right

Disagree with downgrade.

You disagree with the downgrade ? On what terms ?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You disagree with the downgrade ? On what terms ?

It’s only like 10 posts here do you really want me to type FRA?

Combat speed ≠ Travel speed.

 

[Vzearr]

It’s only like 10 posts here do you really want me to type FRA?

Combat speed ≠ Travel speed.

You disagree with my points to ? Also, running is inherently travel speed.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

You disagree with my points to ? Also, running is inherently travel speed.

movement* it’s only travel (which is a type of movement speed) after long distances are traversed. This has been explained by @Tatsumi504.

Your points mostly make sense. I know Hyoga doesn’t throw spears so the low end should get accepted instead but I can’t access the scan right now to see how Tsukasa squeezed into “0.4cm”, it’s possible he just put distance between her and the spear via a push? Maybe?, could you pls send the scan here (in picture format not imgur hyperlink) for confirmation?

 

[Vzearr]

movement* it’s only travel (which is a type of movement speed) after long distances are traversed. This has been explained by @Tatsumi504.

Travel speed "The speed at which a character or object can move by running"

Your points mostly make sense. I know Hyoga doesn’t throw spears so the low end should get accepted instead but I can’t access the scan right now to see how Tsukasa squeezed into “0.4cm”, it’s possible he just put distance between her and the spear via a push? Maybe?, could you pls send the scan here (in picture format not imgur hyperlink) for confirmation?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Travel speed "The speed at which a character or object can move by running"

Once again, it doesn't become travel speed until long distances are traversed. A character with FTL combat/reaction speed an cross short distances at that speed but can't necessarily do so for a much longer distance. This is the way this has always worked otherwise any SoL character that's unable to traverse earth 7x in a second won't have that rating.

 

[Jinx666]

Case of 'Character can't travel that fast, but can react to and move that fast'. As long as a distinction is made its all good

Dr Stone tries to ground itself in reality then forgets they got high schoolers that can oneshot lions

 

[Vzearr]

Case of 'Character can't travel that fast, but can react to and move that fast'. As long as a distinction is made its all good

Dr Stone tries to ground itself in reality then forgets they got high schoolers that can oneshot lions

My other points are seemingly being ignored.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That'd be a notable anti-feat, definitely. Calculated feat could be considered invalid, although it'd be better if this limitation of speed was expressed or shown more than once- a direct expression of limited speed is, however, notable enough when weighed against one feat.

 

[Jinx666]

My other points are seemingly being ignored.

no sorry i just got here and didn't read anything the thread was going on about!
But yeah combat speed =/= to Travel Speed

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

From my perspective, this looks like an anti-feat against travel speed; not so much combat/reaction speed.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Op what you are doing is very wrong and a bit disingenuous honestly. The vote tally you are writing is completely misleading

 

[karo_senpaii]

This is an easy thread for their demotion.

From this line, Tsukasa states "IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID THE BLAST RADIUS" which pretty much tells us that he doesn't have the speed to travel beyond a nitroglycerin explosion. which can move at a speed of 2000 m/s

Therefore we will demote them from 18,763.8296405 m/s (High Hypersonic+) leaving only 580.218134212 m/s (Supersonic) only

Bold = Staff
Accept: @Mr._Bambu , @DarkDragonMedeus @Tatsumi504

Disagree: @wwereymy235 , @Arnoldstone18

Tatsumi didn't agree with you, maybe wrong tag?. And DDM definitely did not agree with you. What exactly are you doing?

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Tatsumi didn't agree with you, maybe wrong tag?. And DDM definitely did not agree with you. What exactly are you doing?

"I entered Tatsumi's name in the wrong field, and I misunderstood what DarkDragonMedeus wrote."

 

[karo_senpaii]

"I entered Tatsumi's name in the wrong field, and I misunderstood what DarkDragonMedeus wrote."

Okay that's better

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Damage3245]

What do people think of the fact that the High Hypersonic calc in the OP relies on Tsukasa being about 420 times faster than Hyoga despite the two characters being fairly comparable in other scenes?

 

[Tatsumi504]

What do people think of the fact that the High Hypersonic calc in the OP relies on Tsukasa being about 420 times faster than Hyoga despite the two characters being fairly comparable in other scenes?

You do have a point there and it's sufficient enough to warrant a removal.
Either Hyoga's rating drops to a lower calc to indicate Tsukasa being faster or the calc gets axed

 

[Shadow_x007x]

What do people think of the fact that the High Hypersonic calc in the OP relies on Tsukasa being about 420 times faster than Hyoga despite the two characters being fairly comparable in other scenes?

Hyoga is no match for Tsukasa right now. Hyoga himself said that whether he attacked from behind or while he was asleep. He couldn't do anything to Tsukasa. The Hyoga would later become equal to Tsukasa in battles fought in the Americas.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

So I think he should reject this calculation. Or show they are also clear differences in character development, such as Kohaku's speed during the Stone War Supersonic, where he was on par with Homura's ability to dodge swords. and developed further in the period The birth island was on the same level as Mozu, after which he would be on par with Tsukasa.

However, I think High Hypersonic+ for him is really a bit excessive.

 

[Vzearr]

The calculation was accepted on a wrong basis anyway, even with everyone's debunks aside, this isn't a throw meaning the hhs end can't be used.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

The low end of the calc should’ve been accepted.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Bump, I think we should end this thread quickly. High Hypersonic+ for Dr. Stone is too high.