Doomguy vs Doctor Strange (MCU)

[Stillwinston]

Idk if this was ever done but lets give it a go I guess.

• Speed is equalised
• Both start 10 meters apart
• Post Night Sentinel Doomguy is being used and is allowed the crucible
• Sorcerer Supreme Strange is being used. No tier 6 hax is being used.
• Fight takes place in the streets of Tokyo
• SBA otherwise

Slayer: 0

Sorcerer: 0

Incon: 0

Doomguy

The Doomguy, also known as the Doom Marine or Doom Slayer since the 2016 reboot, is the main character of the Sci-fi, Horror, First-Person-Shooter Doom series. He is one of the Earth's toughest and mightiest warriors who single-handedly fights against the armies of Hell. In the ending of Doom...

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Doctor Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Doctor Strange (real name Stephen Vincent Strange) is the main protagonist of the 2016 film Doctor Strange. Originally a very accomplished yet arrogant neurosurgeon, Strange suffered severe nerve damage to his hands in a car accident, rendering him incapable of continuing his work. When all...

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[Stillwinston]

Might be a necro but bump?

 

[CBslayeR]

Not a necro if its still fair, half of my threads are necros teehee

 

[noninho]

w/ prior knowledge that's a stomp for Strange, cuz he'd never need to get in Slayer's range...

I really think i'm not, but if i'm wrong and that works, please correct OP to "equalized" ; - ;

 

[Stillwinston]

Well prior knowledge but no prep time, I can remove it if that's more viable.

 

[Stillwinston]

Bump, I've removed prior knowledge for both

 

[koopa3144]

What can DG do about the time stone?

 

[Stillwinston]

Ignore with type 1 and 4 acausality I guess, has the time stone worked against beings like that before? Last mcu thing I looked at was endgame btw

 

[Stillwinston]

Bump?

 

[Stillwinston]

Bump?

 

[AThe1412]

Ignore with type 1 and 4 acausality I guess, has the time stone worked against beings like that before? Last mcu thing I looked at was endgame btw

Time Stone worked against Dormammu who has BDE and Resistance to Time Manipulation (I'm honestly not sure how this works because he should scale far above Kaecilius who is able to break out of Time Reversal and Time Stop yet Dormammu himself couldn't break out of a Time Loop when it was used on him)

 

[Stillwinston]

That does sound odd tbh, kinda screams retcon to me. Anyhow are we sure type 4 acasual wouldn't be enough here?

 

[AThe1412]

That does sound odd tbh, kinda screams retcon to me. Anyhow are we sure type 4 acasual wouldn't be enough here?

I don't know how Acausality works. Doomguy's seems to be Low 1-C Vs Strange's 2-B though so probably?

 

[ShionAH]

Doomguy has Acasuality on a 2-A to Low 1-C level so probably

 

[Vietthai96]

Acausality on 2-A to Low 1-C level

Should ban Shion from the kitchen

 

[Stillwinston]

Well at any rate I'd say DG can likely resist being za warudo'd if range is anything to go by there

 

[koopa3144]

Btw what does Strange start with?

 

[Stillwinston]

Usually starts with getting his shields up and other stuff comes later iirc

 

[Stillwinston]

Bump

 

[ShionAH]

I think Slayer wins but I dont know how to explain

 

[noninho]

Try to, mate
Cuz I with I could vote him

 

[ThanatosX]

Strange can restrain with energy whips, extremely effective thanks to the huge LS advantage, which is something that is very much in character to do, even as a first move.
He can BFR to the Mirror Dimension, something that he can do simply by rising his hands or by throwing the Mirror Dimension at the opponent in a unavoidable way. Plus, he can also BFR with the Sling Ring by opening a portal directly under him or in a point in which he is about to be, and he can even close the Sling Ring on him to cut him in half with 6-B AP.
He also have the Time Stone, which is at least one layer above baseline for working against Dormammu, who is resistent to Time Manipulation. And, just for reference, having Acausality Type 4 doesn't give automatic resistence to Time Manipulation or Time Stop. It was discussed here, and it depends on the context of the verse. Considering Doomguy Acausality Type 4 doesn't come from him being outside or trascendent of time and he doesn't have feat of being unaffected by time powers, I doubt he would be able to resist the power of the Time Stone without feats, even if his Acausality is Low 1-C or anything of the sort.
On top of this, Doctor Strange Tao Mandala (aka his Magic Shield, which he uses basically everytime he gets attacked) are 7-B+ in durability, which means that even with the Crucible Doomguy wont be able to go through them. And if we remove that or any kind of higher tiered power, than the fight becomes impossible to add to the profile.
Honestly, I think this is a stomp. I don't see what Doomguy can do here considering he can't go past the Tao Mandala, while Doctor Stange can easily win with most of his abilities.

 

[AThe1412]

Bump? Okay. What does Strange do against the Fate and Probability hax?

 

[koopa3144]

Bump? Okay. What does Strange do against the Fate and Probability hax?

DG's Fate and Probability hax sucks and only lets him come back in a non-combat applicable timeframe.

 

[AThe1412]

DG's Fate and Probability hax sucks and only lets him come back in a non-combat applicable timeframe.

Damn. Well, I have no other arguments. Doomguy is the weakest 5-D for a reason.

Strange can restrain with energy whips, extremely effective thanks to the huge LS advantage, which is something that is very much in character to do, even as a first move.
He can BFR to the Mirror Dimension, something that he can do simply by rising his hands or by throwing the Mirror Dimension at the opponent in a unavoidable way. Plus, he can also BFR with the Sling Ring by opening a portal directly under him or in a point in which he is about to be, and he can even close the Sling Ring on him to cut him in half with 6-B AP.
He also have the Time Stone, which is at least one layer above baseline for working against Dormammu, who is resistent to Time Manipulation. And, just for reference, having Acausality Type 4 doesn't give automatic resistence to Time Manipulation or Time Stop. It was discussed here, and it depends on the context of the verse. Considering Doomguy Acausality Type 4 doesn't come from him being outside or trascendent of time and he doesn't have feat of being unaffected by time powers, I doubt he would be able to resist the power of the Time Stone without feats, even if his Acausality is Low 1-C or anything of the sort.
On top of this, Doctor Strange Tao Mandala (aka his Magic Shield, which he uses basically everytime he gets attacked) are 7-B+ in durability, which means that even with the Crucible Doomguy wont be able to go through them. And if we remove that or any kind of higher tiered power, than the fight becomes impossible to add to the profile.
Honestly, I think this is a stomp. I don't see what Doomguy can do here considering he can't go past the Tao Mandala, while Doctor Stange can easily win with most of his abilities.

I really want to make counterarguments for this because I feel like it ignores a lot of things on Doom's profile but eh... Only thing I can point out is that Tier 6 hax is restricted so no portal cutting.

 

[Vietthai96]

Doomguys lose his fate hax and probability hax in his low 1-c key, the hax is about him ending the Maykrs race, in low 1-c key he already finished the race, so his fate and probability hax isn't active anymore

 

[koopa3144]

Doomguys lose his fate hax and probability hax in his low 1-c key, the hax is about him ending the Maykrs race, in low 1-c key he already finished the race, so his fate and probability hax isn't active anymore

Iirc he still keeps it in his Ancient Gods key and the Maykr stuff only one part of his fate hax and probability hax, as long as there are demons their will always be a Slayer to fight them.

 

[Vietthai96]

Iirc he still keeps it in his Ancient Gods key and the Maykr stuff only one part of his fate hax and probability hax, as long as there are demons their will always be a Slayer to fight them.

It is his immortality type 8, which will make him always come back to fight demon, but there is no demon in this match

 

[ShionAH]

Doomguys lose his fate hax and probability hax in his low 1-c key, the hax is about him ending the Maykrs race, in low 1-c key he already finished the race, so his fate and probability hax isn't active anymore

As long as demons and evil exists he will keep his hax. Its written on his Immo 8...

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hmm

 

[ThanatosX]

I really want to make counterarguments for this because I feel like it ignores a lot of things on Doom's profile but eh... Only thing I can point out is that Tier 6 hax is restricted so no portal cutting.

It's impossible to restrict Portal Cutting without making this match invalid. It's performed throught the portals opened with the Sling Ring, which is Standard Equipment. The only way to restrict the Portals Cutting is by restricting the Sling Ring, which as said before would make this match impossible to be added.

 

[AThe1412]

It's impossible to restrict Portal Cutting without making this match invalid. It's performed throught the portals opened with the Sling Ring, which is Standard Equipment. The only way to restrict the Portals Cutting is by restricting the Sling Ring, which as said before would make this match impossible to be added.

You can restrict standard equipment if it gives the character a different tier.

 

[ThanatosX]

You can restrict standard equipment if it gives the character a different tier.

I never heard of this and it seems pretty dumb, imo, considering that he never did a fight without the Sling Ring. But in general the Sling Ring is not an object that is inherently offensive in nature, the Portal Cutting is just one application of it's main function, which is Dimensional Travel, so I don't see why that should be restricted. Plus, OP would need to specify that the Sling Ring is restricted.

 

[ShionAH]

I never heard of this and it seems pretty dumb, imo, considering that he never did a fight without the Sling Ring. But in general the Sling Ring is not an object that is inherently offensive in nature, the Portal Cutting is just one application of it's main function, which is Dimensional Travel, so I don't see why that should be restricted. Plus, OP would need to specify that the Sling Ring is restricted.

Its tru though, if it changes the tier then it can go

 

[AThe1412]

I never heard of this and it seems pretty dumb, imo, considering that he never did a fight without the Sling Ring. But in general the Sling Ring is not an object that is inherently offensive in nature, the Portal Cutting is just one application of it's main function, which is Dimensional Travel, so I don't see why that should be restricted. Plus, OP would need to specify that the Sling Ring is restricted.

It's been a thing for a while as far as I know and it makes perfect sense. Imagine you have a 10-A character who has a 9-C gun as standard equipment. You want to put that character against another 10-A and have them throw hands to see who's the better hand to hand fighter, except the former has the gun so he can just pull it out and shoot the latter, making it a oneshot and a stomp. What do you do for it to not be a stomp? You restrict the gun. This rule can also be applied to abilities and powerups as long as they give the character a higher tier. I agree that OP should specify more clearly what is and what isn't allowed though.

 

[ThanatosX]

It's been a thing for a while as far as I know and it makes perfect sense. Imagine you have a 10-A character who has a 9-C gun as standard equipment. You want to put that character against another 10-A and have them throw hands to see who's the better hand to hand fighter, except the former has the gun so he can just pull it out and shoot the latter, making it a oneshot and a stomp. What do you do for it to not be a stomp? You restrict the gun. This rule can also be applied to abilities and powerups as long as they give the character a higher tier. I agree that OP should specify more clearly what is and what isn't allowed though.

If you put it like this it makes more sense. However, it's worth mentioning that restricting the Sling Ring would also remove Portal Creation and Dimensional Travel (except for the Mirror Dimension, which only needs a Sling Ring to exit it rather than go into it or BFR someone in there).

 

[AThe1412]

If you put it like this it makes more sense. However, it's worth mentioning that restricting the Sling Ring would also remove Portal Creation and Dimensional Travel (except for the Mirror Dimension, which only needs a Sling Ring to exit it rather than go into it or BFR someone in there).

Well yes. Strange still has time hax though so even with the Sling Ring restricted it doesn't take away that much.

 

[AThe1412]

Wait, Doomguy has Dimensional Travel. That means he can get out of the Mirror Dimension if he gets BFR there, though he's in trouble if Strange decides to just follow him inside and starts manipulating matter and physics to attack him.