DOOM HDE

[Hellscream]

So, i noticed that DOOM doesn't have HDE for primevals, despite them being higher dimensional beings by nature and think it was just forgotten to be added.

The explanation, as to why they are HDE's is because they were beings from the void, which is confirmed and accepted as a higher dimensional plane, out of which the primevals created reality, and the verse. all of which is already accepted. https://gyazo.com/eb3c87514359933e8c59ce3647222eda

The fact that Primevals are beings of the Void, and can create realities with those said realities being mere extensions of their being, supports the fact that they're in a higher state of existence, as opposed to beings of that said reality.
The void being infinitely larger than those realities they created, and the primevals being residents of the void.

Davoth himself created multiple 2-A realms, such as jekkad (Hell) Urdak, and the Human world, all of which are 2-A realms, and an unknown amount of known and unknown dimensions of which we don't know about.
Hell is stated to be a mere "extension" of davoth, and is literally stated to encompass the verse itself in his arms.
Such as davoth's rage, transforming and affecting the entire 2-A realm and transforming it, which supports the fact that it's an extension of his existence as the multiverse itself gets transformed / affected just by the emotional state of his body.

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Agree: @Firestorm808 @TheGreatJedi13 @ShionAH @Comiphorous
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Disagree:

 

[Firestorm808]

"A given object or entity is referred to as being higher-dimensional when they exist as part of a system with a number of coordinates axes greater than our own, or in layman's terms, if they possess more than three dimensions."

This seems fine.

 

[Vietthai96]

Disagree, you take the statement too literal, nothing suggest they are higher-dimensional beings possesses more than three basic dimensional axes

 

[Hellscream]

Except for that the game devs literally stated that hell is only an extension of davoth, which supports the statement of him ecompassing the verse.
(hell being an extension of him) Which is already accepted.
So yes, statements like that can be taken literal.
Especially When they're beings of the Void which in itself is a higher dimensional plane.
Which is also accepted.

 

[Hellscream]

Even if you don't take the statement of him encompassing the verse, just the fact that Hell is just an extension of his being is already enough for HDE.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yet the verse itself contradicted this by showing Davoth as 3D being, and nothing show Hell is actual physical extension of him, he is literally normal guy inside his own Hell

Especially When they're beings of the Void which in itself is a higher dimensional plane.

No it isn't, existing in higher-dimension doesn't grant you HDE, unless you are the dimension itself

 

[Hellscream]

Yet the verse itself contradicted this by showing Davoth as 3D being, and nothing show Hell is actual physical extension of him, he is literally normal guy inside his own Hell

No it isn't, existing in higher-dimension doesn't grant you HDE, unless you are the dimension itself

Your claims are irrelevant.
Devs directly stated that it's an extension of him.
The fact that jekkad changed into hell due to his emotional state supports that.
And this is already accepted.

DOOM gameplay =/= Lore
This has been said a billion times.

 

[Vietthai96]

Your claims are irrelevant.
Devs directly stated that it's an extension of him.
The fact that jekkad changed into hell due to his emotional state supports that.
And this is already accepted.

You can't deny my argument because i literally using what you claim against you. Literally the verse show massive anti-feat to your assumption that Hell is Davoth's extension as Hell is a part of his physical body while nothing proved it, you have yet to counter my argument

Changed Jekkad into Hell via his emotion prove nothing here. Also what is accepted again??

 

[Hellscream]

Buddy.
Doom lore is not doom gameplay.
There is no anti feat.

The fact that hell is just an extension of davoth is already accepted
it's literally on his profile.
And yes jekkad turning into hell does support this tf are you saying?
The fact that hell is tied to the emotional state of his body supports that it's a part of his being.

 

[Vietthai96]

Buddy.
Doom lore is not doom gameplay.
There is no anti feat.

The fact that hell is just an extension of davoth is already accepted.

You again using gameplay as an excuse, yet the entire game including CG cutscenes show nothing which support your assumption of Davoth have HDE because Hell is a physical part of his body. You can't choose what you like and discard what you don't want via "muh it is just gameplay"

Iirc, the statement is accepted currently only for AP justification, so it isn't matter, you need to prove Hell is Davoth's physcial extension

 

[Hellscream]

Don't care, it's accepted and directly stated by the game director.

 

[Hellscream]

Im not going to argue on this thread again why doom lore =/= DOOM gameplay.

 

[Vietthai96]

Don't care, it's accepted and directly stated by the game director.

Then bring game director here to debate what the statement actually mean

Im not going to argue on this thread again why doom lore =/= DOOM gameplay.

I'm not even using gameplay, i'm using lore cutscene of the game to counter your assumption, you can't go and discard them as "muh it is just gameplay"

 

[Hellscream]

Then bring game director here to debate what the statement actually mean

Don't need to buddy.
"Hell is absolutely an extension of the dark lord the real question is what else is an extension of the dark lord"
pretty straightforward right?
And like i said, the fact that jekkad transformed into hell with his anger supports the fact that it's an extension as it's directly tied to his physical state.

 

[Vietthai96]

Don't need to buddy.
"Hell is absolutely an extension of the dark lord the real question is what else is an extension of the dark lord"
pretty straightforward right?

Again nothing proved Hell is a physical part of Davoth's being, the entire statement can be assumed many way, and the source material which is the game itself literally go against your assumption

 

[Hellscream]

Just stop commenting at this point.

 

[ShionAH]

Just stop commenting at this point.

Probably a redditor I saw some wild downplays there like 10-A doomslayer because he is a human, also agreed

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

no point arguing against what was already accepted
make a different thread or downgrade CRT to tackle that instead of derailing this one

anyway i agree with the OP

 

[Comiphorous]

I agree. too bad doomguy will still be the deadass weakest Low 1-C on this wiki

 

[Vietthai96]

no point arguing against what was already accepted
make a different thread or downgrade CRT to tackle that instead of derailing this one

anyway i agree with the OP

what was accepted isn't HDE but for cosmology stuffs, or else no need for this thread,, what we arguing is about HDE

 

[Huesito88]

I agree. too bad doomguy will still be the deadass weakest Low 1-C on this wiki

Is he weaker than Alien X?

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Attack Potency: Low Complex Multiverse level (He was the primordial being of the void,[1] capable of molding said void into his creations.[2] The void contained the multiple infinite-sized multiversal structures Davoth created. The entire structure of Hell was created as only a part of himself.[3] Hell is unlimited by the boundaries of space, time, or dimension. Hell itself is a living thing, an entity possessing certain undeniable sentience. Hell connects to worlds with pathways of darkness transcending space and time[4])

The fact that it is accepted that the entire structure of hell is just a part of himself makes him such as that.
Denying Higher dimensional existence is tantamount to denying Hell as higher dimensional on itself which was accepted
connect the point

 

[Comiphorous]

Is he weaker than Alien X?

Good question i dont know-

 

[ShionAH]

Good question i dont know-

Probably not tbh Alien X is 3D without HDE

 

[Sniper670]

I agree. too bad doomguy will still be the deadass weakest Low 1-C on this wiki

So you haven't heard about Arceus

 

[Comiphorous]

So you haven't heard about Arceus

Doomslayer got stomped by arceus.

so yes, he's still weak af.

 

[Hellscream]

Arceus is 6-D, Doomslayer is currently accepted as 5-D

 

[ShionAH]

currently

Thats a boss move ngl. Waiting for that one scan to upgrade him to 8-D or whatever

 

[Huesito88]

Thats a boss move ngl. Waiting for that one scan to upgrade him to 8-D or whatever

9-D he needs to become the Grand Berserker

 

[Hellscream]

bump

 

[Firestorm808]

I can add it later today.

 

[ShionAH]

I can add it later today.

did you add it?

 

[Firestorm808]

Yes. Closing now.