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1-A Void upgrade for DOOM

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My proposal is Void of nothingness in DOOM has Beyond-Dimensional Existence 3 (BDE3) and Qualitative superiority, which is enough for 1-A rating.

Qualitative Superiority signifies a level of existence that involves no element of quantity or amount instead, it hinges entirely on the character's or realm's inherent existence and ontology. It represents a full discrete jump to a greater mode of existence, being fundamentally different from and irreducible to anything in a lower state

Beyond-Dimensional Existence 3 (BDE3) applies to characters or realms that exceed dimensionality precisely through this qualitative superiority. Such entities ontologically surpass all the contents of a lower reality, exist above physical composition and differentiation, and are of a wholly superior nature unreachable by lesser states. A void, specifically, is 1-A if it is so distinct from reality that it lacks space-time, not because it's simply empty, but because it is beyond dimensionality and space-time itself.


The Father himself is described as Ageless and formless and capable of giving birth to untold dimensions and worlds his ability to operate within and sweep across the Void, and then create entire dimensional structures, demonstrates that the Void is a domain inherently superior to, and foundational for, even his own transcendent creations. This confirms the Void's role as the ultimate ontological ground, surpassing the nature of all lower realities and their compositions

A BDE3 rating isn't just about a non-dimensional state combined with great power, the non-dimensional state of existence must be the direct cause of the superiority this aligns with DOOM's Void is the primordial source from which all dimensions bloom, making its non-dimensional nature the very reason it is superior to all dimensional realities


It shows the Void as the ultimate origin and cessation point for vast inter-dimensional structures. The Void is not merely another dimension but the fundamental domain from which dimensions are created and destroyed. This aligns with the idea of a qualitative superiority where the Void is beyond dimensionality and space-time itself existing as the non-dimensional canvas upon which all dimensional existence appears and disappears. It proves the Void is completely non-existent in a dimensional sense, meaning it lacks the properties of a dimensional realm because it is the source of such properties


This clearly indicates a fundamental, qualitative separation between the Void and reality itself. The Void is not simply a larger or higher numbered dimension it exists in a different mode of being, indicated by its walls that must be breached. This supports the definition of Qualitative Superiority as a full discrete jump to an entirely different and irreducible mode of existence that is fundamentally different from the nature of the lower reality

A void of nothingness is not necessarily 1-A it is only 1-A if it encompasses or is vaster than reality in a qualitative manner. It gives an analogy of a void so distinct from reality that reality is like a drop of water in an ocean, and no composition from our reality holds meaning within it this perfectly matches the evidence for DOOM's Void, which exists just on the other side of reality itself with walls that must be breached and non-physical, making it a fundamentally separate and qualitatively superior domain

In conclusion, the Void, through its portrayal as the primordial, non-dimensional source from which all dimensional realities are created and sustained, and its ontological separation from those realities, perfectly fits the criteria for Beyond-Dimensional Existence 3 (BDE3), therefore qualifying it for the 1-A tier. It is not merely a void, but a qualitatively superior one that transcends and dictates the existence of all lower dimensional structures

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It's really interesting that it's always a newcomer to the forum who starts a thread about Doom, and they never succeed.

And I still suspect that these threads are all made by the same person, though that's just a guess.
 
It's really interesting that it's always a newcomer to the forum who starts a thread about Doom, and they never succeed.

And I still suspect that these threads are all made by the same person, though that's just a guess.
Usually they target other verses that are Low 1-C too with nefarious purposes
 
I ask you to deal the death blow.
I mean, the easiest piece of evidence is part three
indicated by its walls that must be breached.
The OP missed this important aspect of 1-A
A character that holds a qualitative superiority over lesser things, however, represents a full discrete jump from everything that came before. They reside in a greater mode of existence entirely, being irreducible to anything that lies in the lower state of existence.

This inaccessibility possessed by qualitatively superior characters and realms can also be expressed in terms of sheer ontology, generally speaking. That is to say: They are fundamentally different from the nature of the lower reality, and this different nature is precisely the source of their superiority over it. Since their "otherness" is identical to their transcendence, no expansion or extension of the lower reality and anything in it can possibly attain to them, as long as it maintains its particular nature. Put it simply: They are as powerful as they are alien.
A: The potential disqualifiers largely revolve around the aforementioned aspect of inaccessibility: A qualitative superiority is completely irreducible to anything lesser than itself, and conversely, it cannot be reached by any additive process whatsoever.
The fact that dimensional creatures are able to not only breach the barriers of the Void but travel through it is an automatic disqualification.

Also like... the father resting in the Void created spaces within the Void that can be travelled between. There's no indication of a qualitative foundational difference there. I think OP just doesn't know about this rule:
Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.
 
The OP missed this important aspect of 1-A
Oh yes i completely missed this aspect of Qualitative superiority, my bad.
The fact that dimensional creatures are able to not only breach the barriers of the Void but travel through it is an automatic disqualification.

Also like... the father resting in the Void created spaces within the Void that can be travelled between. There's no indication of a qualitative foundational difference there. I think OP just doesn't know about this rule:
I thought this would work but you're actually right about this, DOOM's Void doesn't have enough evidences to be 1-A since it contradicts Qualitative superiority as you explained, this is also supported by that Void can be accesed by demons meaning it's accesed by lower forms, so yeah Void can't be 1-A

Can you please close this thread? as i don't argue 1-A Void anymore since it contradicts Qualitative superiority.
 
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