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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 3

Because he absorbs and survives direct exposure to it

The Icon's storms are an effect if it's existence like the space time warp and inevitable black holes

So the question is why accept one as ED and not the other
 
KieranH10 said:
why are we scaling argent energy to physicals again? I don't remember it directly correlating, unless it's from when the Slayer absorbs the energy in 2016 making him stronger.

I still don't think we should be scaling the Icon to his planetary destruction feat, it's a passive effect that is done through his reality warping. Never is it ever shown that the Icon can directly deal planetary damage with physical attacks, or harm planetary beings.

Also we don't know the size of the black hole to calc it, we don't see it at all, so that wont work either.
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"After great effort the Priests discovered more than they had ever hoped for. They learned of the true nature of the demonic energy, and how it could strengthen those skilled enough to harness its power"

It literally amps the strength of it user, the more of it you have the stronger you would logically be. Also the blackhole is implied to be a little larger than earth which inherently puts it massively above planetary.
 
This is already hinted at as far back as 2016, where Doomguy has argent energy receptors in his gauntlets as an explanation for why he grows stronger over time.
 
Alright, I can get behind that.

Now can we get an exact consensus on Icon's tier?
 
Sir Ovens said:
Alright, I can get behind that.

Now can we get an exact consensus on Icon's tier?
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We still have the urdak shaking feat and storm that needs a calc. Unless we can get a consensus on 5-B icon.
 
"After great effort the Priests discovered more than they had ever hoped for. They learned of the true nature of the demonic energy, and how it could strengthen those skilled enough to harness its power"

It literally amps the strength of it user, the more of it you have the stronger you would logically be. Also the blackhole is implied to be a little larger than earth which inherently puts it massively above planetary.


Definitely agree here.To add to this however,it's most likely the Icon can control Argent currents of other beings(killing the makyr drones in his introduction,killing demons he summoned)so it's clear that argent energy is the source of his power.Energy Manipulation should be added though for the Icon.
 
Jangles211 said:
Uhh.

That looks absolutely nothing like fire and behaves absolutely not like fire should.


Are you aware that lasers can emit heat? Evidently it is hot enough to light doomguy on fire, don't know how that makes it not a laser.
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It sets things on fire and it looks bright orange and you're saying it doesn't look like or behave like fire?
 
For now, can we all settle with the low ends for the Icon profile until further discussion:

Physical AP and Durability:

At least 7-A+, possibly higher (Energy attacks should be stronger than a storm it casually created of at least this size. Grew stronger the longer it stayed on Earth).

AP:

At least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C with Black Hole Creation and Reality Warping (After total devastation of Earth, it will break down spacetime around the planet. The resultant black hole will eventually dragged our entire universe down, casting it into the mouth of Hell as conquest to be absorbed by the Dark Realm).
 
Not sure if possibly stronger than the BFG 10,000 is a good justification, but the Black Hole creation and reality warping for environmental destruction is good, as is the 7-A+ calculation.
 
shouldn't have the slayer durability negation with the crucible? it is a larse and it is made of argent energy that basically are souls?
 
Don't forget accelerated development for the icon. And link a Samur Hayden meme to it while you're at it
 
Speaking of speed ratings, there are actually problems with the current justifications, but I'll get to that later. The meteor feats are fine, but the plasma articles actually have problems that resemble problems addressed years ago.
 
Still perplexed as to why the Ballista isn't at relativistic.


-it functions in game similarly to a particle beam and is hitscan -is described as firing twin beams of superheated argent, a particle beam literally could be defined as a beam of superheated particles.


Like attributing it being of a plasma railgun likeness is odd, considering no one has explained yet how a plasma railgun would even function and why the Ballista appears to be one.


We already know argent is capable of creating particle beam weaponry as well.
 
Do we want to switch the topic to Attack Speed, or do you want to finalize the high end AP discussion?
 
The Icon should scale physically to planet level and higher, given that physical strength scales with argent and that he was gonna create a blackhole, and that he was already breaking down physics and warping reality on a universal scale etc etc.


As for the timeframe, we have no set timeframe. But Hayden DOES warn us that we must fight the Icon and return to earth immediately, now this would make 0 sense if the icon was going to take years as I've heard some propose, it would be far less dramatic if the icon took more than a few hours to do this.


Even if you argue Doomguy doesn't scale initially to blackhole creation, he is far stronger than the Icon in their fight (Based on his lack of battle damage or fatigue or basically any sign of struggle in the cutscene afterwards) and he absorbed the Icons power as he does to his fallen foes which would amp him further.


Speed wise again the particle beam argument for the Ballista is the only one that makes sense, it is stated to fire a superheated beam of argent, and it is a marksmans weapon. And we know argent weaponry can be used as particle beams, it is also a hitscan weapon, which just further supports it. And the Chaingun which uses railgun technology moves like a projectile rather than hitscan.
 
If defeating the icon really was that relatively easy couldn't we just up scale him To High 7-A or is that a bit of a jump. And I don't wanna sound like a broken record but I have to know, is the storm on Urdak bigger then the one on earth and if so by how much.
 
You would have to prove that they are is about twice as strong as the storm feat to move from 7-A+ to High 7-A.
 
still against the 5-B physicals for the Icon, it takes time for the Icon the get to that point, while it's unspecified how long, it still isn't instantaneous. Samuel Hayden was probably rushing because the Icon literally gets stronger the longer it exists, if they take their time, the Icon would have become unstoppable. Even if the Slayer intervened.

Without it stating that the Black Hole would happen in like, an hour or so, we don't know that the Icon was at full power to create the black hole, Hayden literally states that the Icon gets stronger the longer it is on earth, this is why they had to rush, before the Icon got too strong for them to stop, eventually leaving them to watch as Earth and the universe is destroyed.

But we get there in time, therefor the Icon never gets that strong, the black hole is not created, and earth is safe. Neither the Icon or the Slayer had to do anything planetary.
 
I'd say assuming the icon would eventually become too much for the slayer to handle would be more of reach than trying to scale him to planet level.
 
Shouldn't the BFG tendrils be MHS? Since it's argent energy plasma that works in the same fashion as all the other plasma.
 
Ok let's keep on the topic of AP and then we can go to speed. we need people brainstorming on how we could calc this Urdak storm feat, I've heard some people come to an agreement on how but I can't remember what they said.
 
Unless we can show that the Urdak storm is more than 20km in radius, the Urdak Storm is less than the Earth calculation.
 
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