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Donquixote Doflamingo vs Hashirama Senju (Redux)
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Doffy fra. Plus illusions ain't doing anything to him. *** uses your own will to dominate others, and Luffy's willpower > 50000 fishmen. Doffy scales. Genjutsu did work on the fox, but we don't know his resistance to it.
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No he won't. Hashirama is Low 6-B.
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Isn't haki pushing your will on others? I'd presume that makes it a form of mindhax. Anyway, I've already voted. Just arguing against genjutsu specifically.
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@Kep
Are you sure you're following the thread? It has been agreed and repeatedly stated over the course of the last revision thread or two that Hashirama will be 6-B. Please come and check again, or let's talk about it. I don't want to adjust stats over and over again, or worse, be accused of intentionally manipulating stats.
Are you sure you're following the thread? It has been agreed and repeatedly stated over the course of the last revision thread or two that Hashirama will be 6-B. Please come and check again, or let's talk about it. I don't want to adjust stats over and over again, or worse, be accused of intentionally manipulating stats.
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GP.
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I'm following the thread very nicely. Literally what feat suggests 6-B Hashirama? Dodo's calc is only Low 6-B even when you double the result to account for 50%
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It's the Naruto vs Bijuu thing. This has been mentioned over the last thread or two. Look over the thread again, and you'll see it.
Anyway, come over to the revision thread so we don't derail this further.
Anyway, come over to the revision thread so we don't derail this further.
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Okay, but the Naruto vs. the Bijuu fight is only 900 gigaton x 5 which is 4.5 teratons, still Low 6-B unless I'm missing something.
Let's go to the thread now.
Let's go to the thread now.
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I mean, even if Hashi ends up being 7~9 TT, that doesn't make this into a stomp. Doffy just loses his AP and Dura advantage~
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@PaChi - early arguments still said Hashi had double Doffy's AP (even tho that was wrong), and when the changes apply, it wont be much different (less, in fact). <_<
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Honestly, if Doffy wins this at all, it's due to hax. His abilities make this a borderline hax stomp if not outright.
"If" I'm wrong about Doffy being able to turn Hashirama's wood into strings, then Hashirama takes this in a stomp.
"If" I'm wrong about Doffy being able to turn Hashirama's wood into strings, then Hashirama takes this in a stomp.
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Hashirama via bringer of darkness and flower tree world
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Is the vote up to date? Likely Donflamingo FRA, still reading over this.
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Doffy shouldnt able to turn Hashirama's wood into strings
wood release is a Ninjutsu that created by chakra
saying Doffy can turn Hashirama's wood into strings same as saying he can turn naruto rasngan into strings or he can turn Bartolomeo barrier into strings
so my question is
did he ever turn some one power into strings?
wood release is a Ninjutsu that created by chakra
saying Doffy can turn Hashirama's wood into strings same as saying he can turn naruto rasngan into strings or he can turn Bartolomeo barrier into strings
so my question is
did he ever turn some one power into strings?
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i mean, luffy is made out of gum, so its not like hes any more organic than hashis wood
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Luffy isn't literally made out of gum. He just has the properties of it.
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Damage3245 said:
he has all prperties of it, though, and hashis wood is made with pure mental and phisical energy
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I think Doffy takes this FRA.
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Luffy's Rubber, not Gum. The fk is gum coming from?
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Gumo Gumo No Bazooka
Perhaps?
Perhaps?
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CinCameron20 said:
sorry, not english, messed it up
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Probably from the translation of 'Gum Gum fruit' in the Viz manga. Natural gum / rubber.
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I think you can only not use that type of ability against living beings?
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CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
trees are living beings, especialy ones made with life energy
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voting inconclusive via Pachi's reasoning
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@Ricsi
That makes sense
That makes sense
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Just to clarify, I thought Hashi would be 9 TT via scaling to Kurama... looking at Kurama's Bijuu feat, it's 3.7+TT, which x2 is only 7.5TT, which is basically base-line. Where is the 9TT at? I am disappoint.
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Well...Hashirama is now 6-B now so this is a stomp...
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@Rinkaku - This is not a stomp. Read the thread. We were aware that there was a gap in favor of Hashi from the start. It's not even 1.5x Doffy's AP and Dura.
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@Cin
Kurama's Bijuudama is 843 gigatons. 50% Prime Kurama scales to 5 times that, or about 4.5 teratons. Double that to get 9 teratons.
Kurama's Bijuudama is 843 gigatons. 50% Prime Kurama scales to 5 times that, or about 4.5 teratons. Double that to get 9 teratons.
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@Kepek - I think that needs to be clarified on Kurama's profile considering how the 6-B scaling shows a link to a 3.78TT feat, 2x = 7.5ish. But either way, this is still far from a stomp just looking at AP vs Dura.
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8.43 Teratons for Hashirama.
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So Hashirama is 4.88582358 x stronger. And considering a Gaer 4 Luffy (who was only 3 x stronger than his base) stomped Doffy, how is he gonna beat him?
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I thought those guys that could take Doffy for a ride are scaling to 7 teratons? I mean Whitebeard and the rest.
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@Rinkaku - someone isn't reading profiles, it seems. Doffy is at 5.17TT w/out Haki with his Awakening.
@Burning - They scale from Fujitora's feat. They don't have anything higher, sadly *cries*. And there's no implication that Doflamingo couldn't give them a straight up good fight before going down. I mean, look at Jinbe vs Big Mom.
@Burning - They scale from Fujitora's feat. They don't have anything higher, sadly *cries*. And there's no implication that Doflamingo couldn't give them a straight up good fight before going down. I mean, look at Jinbe vs Big Mom.
