Doctor Doom vs Bayonetta

[Kepekley23]

Doom for reasons above.

 

[Kaltias]

Although technically killing someone on an atomic level isnt the same thing as desintegrating them

Yes it is. It is actually more impressive.

Why it's more impressive?

Isn't it just a fancy way to say "atomization"?

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Doom FRA it is

 

[Kepekley23]

Because, more often than not, fiction portrays atomic hax as not outright "killing" the target, which is why people with Regenerationn manage to survive.

Outright killing someone with it is a bit more impressive (in my view, of course - nothing wrong with disagreeing with it)

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Although technically killing someone on an atomic level isnt the same thing as desintegrating them

Yes it is. It is actually more impressive.

Why it's more impressive?

Depends. Was the disentegration feat using the physics definition of the term, which is to break apart at the subatomic level, or was it the more common definition of simply scattering the victim into many small pieces, where upon killing someone at an atomic level would indeed be a more impressive feat?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean, I would say that "killing" your atoms would be more a mix of matter manipulation + death manipulation to be sure that you stay dead.

But tbf it depends entirely on the context of the feat

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Wait, so Bayo going into Purgatorio right off the bat is not legit? Wouldn't that affect the outcome of her previous fights?

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

I mean, I would say that "killing" your atoms would be more a mix of matter manipulation + death manipulation to be sure that you stay dead.
But tbf it depends entirely on the context of the feat

Agreed, on that end

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Wait, so Bayo going into Purgatorio right off the bat is not legit? Wouldn't that affect the outcome of her previous fights?

Depends on if she's bloodlusted or not. Bloodlusted Bayonetta would probably just Purgatorio and snipe, but in-character is another story.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bayo in character goes into purgatorio even if she doesnt know who she's fighting. Its instinctual for her.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

What Blur said. All those clips, she was going to something, not from something. And you worded it like she was completely blindsided and it was a knee jerk reaction, when it's kinda clear that she's could tell something was going down on the other side. And with clip two, the fact that she confronted the culprit means she was never gonna dimension snipe, regardless of if it was a child or not. Not to mention that such a cowardly tactic is incredibly anti-Bayonetta.

@Weekly: Nope.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bayo in character goes into purgatorio even if she doesnt know who she's fighting. Its instinctual for her.

Yup

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Bayo in character goes into purgatorio even if she doesnt know who she's fighting. Its instinctual for her.

Yup

Explain to me exactly what about those clips tells you that she's doing that instinctively to avoid a threat.

Explain to me exactly how it's in-character for Bayonetta to be a total ******* coward. >_>

 

[Kaltias]

@Weekly

It's better if you address the comments saying the opposite, otherwise the discussion won't go anywhere

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also Bayo has dimension sniped things for fun, she destroyed a mirror in the real world just so Luka couldnt see her

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Explain to me exactly what about those clips tells you that she's doing that instinctively to avoid a threat.

Explain to me exactly how it's in-character for Bayonetta to be a total ******* coward. >_>

Why would she need to avoid a threat? She does it instinctively regardless of the threat because thats what she does in character at the start of the fight, even if she doesnt know what the threat is yet.

It is absolutely in character for her do do stuff cross-dimensionally, in the middle of a fight she dimension sniped a mirror so Luka couldnt see her

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

And that was for ***** and giggles. When has she ever dimension-sniped in-combat right off the bat?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Why would she need to avoid a threat? She does it instinctively regardless of the threat because thats what she does in character at the start of the fight, even if she doesnt know what the threat is yet.

It is absolutely in character for her do do stuff cross-dimensionally, in the middle of a fight she dimension sniped a mirror so Luka couldnt see her

 

[Schnee_One]

Wait, so Bayo going into Purgatorio right off the bat is not legit? Wouldn't that affect the outcome of her previous fights?

Rasalom and Ren Fuji yes

But let's wait out and see the discussion

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bayo going to purgatorio at the start of a fight is legit

All of her fights take place in Purgatorio, every single one, regardless of the opponent, she literally does this to keep herself hidden from the real world, even when she's not fighting she has a tendency to stay in purgatorio just so people cant see her

 

[The_Causality]

I will wait before voting

 

[Kepekley23]

Most of the examples you've given are meeting someone o Purgatorio.

Only legitimate example is she pranking Luka for fun, which is, well...hardly combat applicable.

 

[Xantospoc]

ThDoctor Doom stomps. He has BFR technology and his super intelligence is likely to calculate the frequency of where the world interacts with Purgatorio. get there and fight off Bayo with ease

And yes, he will even copy the guns on the heels.

The guy is a genius expert on multiversal trouble who has fought both cosmic and magical threats with similar powers, he can handle a woman with no clothes

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The plane crash was done whan she had no idea that there was someone who she was going to fight

The Sapentia one was done by her reacting to water moving violently in the middle of a storm when she didnt know who it was she was going to fight

Even if you want to disregard that, the fact that she always fights in purgatorio and never outside it is more than enough proof that she would go there instinctively at the start of a fight as she has no reason to go against her instincts and what she has shown to lead every single one of her fights with throughout the entirety of the series

 

[Wokistan]

If it's not already clear, I'm voting for doom btw.

 

[Kepekley23]

What Cal said here holds true.

> Even if you want to disregard that, the fact that she always fights in purgatorio and never outside it is more than enough proof that she would go there instinctively at the start of a fight as she has no reason to go against her instincts and what she has shown to lead every single one of her fights with throughout the entirety of the series

She fights in Purgatorio against people who are in Purgatorio. Not outside it. That's completely against her character.

 

[Schnee_One]

If it's not already clear, I'm voting for doom btw.

6 for Doom

 

[WHYNAUT]

Aren't that 7 votes for Doom? I'm going to count.

 

[Schnee_One]

1 from Weekly

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

What are the reasons for Doom? I know I could go back and read the thread but I don't wanna. Not doubting at all that he wins this but I'd like to know my reasons above

 

[Schnee_One]

Basically.

Doom can mindhax her with a glare or steal her powers or dominate with his superior skill and intellect

Doom votes also go against many points in Bayonetta's favor like her Mind resistance not being up to par and her going into Purgatorio immediately is getting contested.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

Thanks

I'll go with Doom FRA

 

[Schnee_One]

You're very welcome

Grace Period

 

[The_Causality]

if Doom was high 4-C I could have created Acacia vs Doom or Yukari Vs doom

 

[Schnee_One]

Why does he need to be High 4C to do that?

Acacia I get, But Yukari is completely Hax based and AP doesn't mean anything against Low Godly

 

[The_Causality]

Yeah I suppose you' right Also Doom take this (too bad for the witch waifu)

 

[Schnee_One]

Also she already fought a 4B

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Bayo is doomed FRA

 

[Js250476]

Bayonnaise loses FRA

 

[WHYNAUT]

Doom: 9

Bayonetta: 1