Doctor Doom vs Bayonetta

[Wokistan]

That's what we're questioning here.

 

[Schnee_One]

She doesn't

That's why it needs to be removed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She wouldnt just get madness manip out of nowhere

 

[Schnee_One]

In a stronger key?

Yes she would, this is how Fiction works

A stronger version of yourself wouldn't have Hax or resistance just as strong as your weaker form.

If her stronger form shows resistance, her base form isn't scaling

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Also, I assume we're using real Doom and not a 5B Doombot? Because soulhaxing robots doesn't really seem like something that's gonna happen.

This is important.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If its just a Doombot Bayo can just touch it once and overload it to the point that it explodes

 

[Kepekley23]

If there's no proof her base state has it, it shouldn't scale

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It wasnt a base or transformed state, it was literally just her soul

 

[Kepekley23]

Which Alraune absorbed and became High 4-C...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes

Jeanne in her base form is basically her restricting herself, her white form is her true power

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

If its just a Doombot Bayo can just touch it once and overload it to the point that it explodes

With what, exactly? Doombots can absorb and handle impressive amounts of energy.

 

[Wokistan]

Doombots could absorb the power cosmic just fine, I'm not sure how Bayonetta is overloading them with a touch. I may be missing it, but I don't see tech manip or anything.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

It wasnt true jeanne, it was just her soul. Base jeanne is just her restricting her own power, she's not removing resistances from herself.

 

[Wokistan]

You've still failed to explain why bayo is getting jeanne's resist regardless of which Jeanne it is anyways.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Doombots could absorb the power cosmic just fine, I'm not sure how Bayonetta is overloading them with a touch. I may be missing it, but I don't see tech manip or anything.

Technological manip is listed in her abilities page right between Magic and Healing

Its also in her notable attacks section under "Mechanical Augmentation"

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

You've still failed to explain why bayo is getting jeanne's resist regardless of which Jeanne it is anyways.

This. You've also failed to adequately explain how Bayonetta overloads a Doombot, which can absorb enormous amounts of the Power Cosmic with no issues.

 

[OneShotYourFave]

What is the score here?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She overloaded an Umbran Armor, which can take 5-B levels of energy with no issue whatsoever, just by touching it so she could use it as a bomb

And im pretty sure the Power Cosmic absorbing Doombots are the 4-B Doombots that wouldnt be allowed here

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Doombots could absorb the power cosmic just fine, I'm not sure how Bayonetta is overloading them with a touch. I may be missing it, but I don't see tech manip or anything.

Technological manip is listed in her abilities page right between Magic and Healing
Its also in her notable attacks section under "Mechanical Augmentation"

In what instance has she used Mechanical Augmentation on a machine that matched her in potency? So far, all I'm seeing is that it increases vehicles, or can overload them--and overloading a car or train or something isn't that much of a feat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She overloaded an Umbran Armor, which can take 5-B levels of energy with no issue whatsoever, just by touching it so she could use it as a bomb

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

She overloaded an Umbran Armor, which can take 5-B levels of energy with no issue whatsoever, just by touching it so she could use it as a bomb

I'd also like to note that according to her profile, this ability is magical in nature and requires using her middle finger, and Doombots resist magic. It wouldn't be difficult for one to put two and two together and either nullify it or get out of the way.

 

[Wokistan]

Power cosmic absorbing got doombots to 4-B. They're fine. It's the same doombots, hell real doom has absorbed 2-Cs and even 1As with prep, it's just that they aren't 4-B without PC. They can still handle that power.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

What Wokistan said.


The only Doombots that are 4-B are the ones that Doom created with the synthesized Power Cosmic he was able to create. Regular Doombots can absorb PC from the likes of Silver Surfer and others with no difficulty in handling the energy.

 

[Eficiente]

Doom ftra.

 

[Golden_Void]

If Jeanne ended up comparing to Bayo in the second game, that means she's stronger since Bayo had either one or both eyes of the world. Might be mistaken tho.

 

[Schnee_One]

Base Bayo 2>True Jeanne>Left Eye Bayo>Base forms

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Jeanne in the second game isnt comparable to bayo

 

[Blueblur24]

Correct me if I am wrong but bayo only goes into purgatorio because the enemies she fights are already there.

I doubt she would go there at the beginning of the fight when doom isn't even in purgatorio like the enemies are.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

she goes there instinctively even if she doesnt know who she's fighting

 

[Blueblur24]

Yes she goes there without seeing who she is fighting, but that's because who ever she is fighting is already there or atleast she knows that they are already there.

But with doom not being there, I doubt she would go there off the bat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Not necessarily, she's encountered opponents in the real world before and then gone into purgatorio after

 

[Blueblur24]

Who has she done this to ? Not saying she doesn't just haven't played the games in a while.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

As much as I trust you, I don't intrinsically beleive that. Sorry, but I still need proof that she goes into Purgatorio against any enemy that's not already there instead of just blindly believing it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

She literally reacts to a plane crash by going into purgatorio without knowing Jeanne was even there or that she would have to fight

While in Purgatorio she reacted to a noise she heard by going back to the real world without knowing who or what was making the noise

Went into Purgatorio without knowing who was attacking her

Jumping to and from Purgatorio at the start of a fight or as a reaction fo a potential threat is borderline instinctual for her

 

[Blueblur24]

The thing is she went there because her opponents where there or she went there to check out what was going on. She never went there to fight an opponent who was in the real world.

What I mean is she never went "opponent is in the real world ok I will go to purgatorio and fight them from there so that they can't effect me with their attacks"

However here she has no reason to go there as doom is right in front of her and not in another dimension.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

No one has explained how Jeanne's Resistance to Madness Manipulation applies to Bayonetta, or why that means jack-diddly to Doom. :c

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What Blur said. All those clips, she was going to something, not from something. And you worded it like she was completely blindsided and it was a knee jerk reaction, when it's kinda clear that she's could tell something was going down on the other side. And with clip two, the fact that she confronted the culprit means she was never gonna dimension snipe, regardless of if it was a child or not. Not to mention that such a cowardly tactic is incredibly anti-Bayonetta.

 

[WHYNAUT]

What is the score? This all happened while I was sleeping so I missed it if someone voted.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

What is the score? This all happened while I was sleeping so I missed it if someone voted.

There's actually 2 votes for Doom. I don't see anyone directly declaring for Bayonetta.


...Also, make that 3 votes for Doom. Doom via power stealing/absorption, magic resistance, and mindhax that are likely superior to Bayonetta's dubious resistance to mindhax. (Still unsure why Jeanne's resistance applies to Bayonetta, who has never displayed that resistance. And no one seems to be jumping to answer that question.)

 

[Schnee_One]

Me, Kurodo, Knight and One shot your Fav is actually four.