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Heh, fear not, my fellow DMC supporter, this is no real reeeal downgrade, but a proposal to better describe the series' speed scaling
Recently, my Infinite speed CRT was re-accepted and, even by then, it was accepted that certain characters are indeed slower than the character which the feat comes from, but not only the profiles do not show that explicitely, there is also a rather big difference going on about who scales who doesn't (Directly, I mean). The owner of the feat isn't Mundus, isn't Argosax, isn't Sparda either, it's DMC2 Dante
Said character can dance around Mundus and can clown Despair Embodied Argosax, they don't scale that directly at all
We usually refer to "the God Tiers" of DMC as basically anyone who is Low 1-C, but truth is there are gaps even inside that power level as it starts with Nightmare and ends at SDT DMC5 Dante (who's capable of one shoting Nightmare like a hundred times over), with Mundus and Argosax being "disappointments" next to him, with Dante even completely forgetting about them at a later point. Now tell me, with such a gap between these guys, can we truly scale them to the guy who stomped them so hard he considered their fight to be Tuesday ?
With Alt Mundus profile saying:
And this is true, Casual Dante is infinitely fast (As this was him when he did the feat), and Alt Mundus could kinda keep up with this Casual Dante
Also worth noting Argosax could also react to DMC2 Dante's frontal attack, although he took some time in order to do so
So as you guys can see, Full Power Alternate Mundus and Despair Embodied are already downscaling from the Infinite speed feat, but then we have:
Now, as my quotes here already tell, I have 0 problems with Argosax's and Mundus' scaling/downscaling from Casual DMC2 Dante, but the other examples should really have a more strict look, because
So this is DMC1 Dante not reacting to an attack from Statue Mundus, who's weaker than Full Power Mundus, who's weaker than Alt Void Mundus, who's weaker than DMC2 Dante, who owns the feat. You guys get the idea, right ? Base DMC1 Dante, who can't make Statue Mundus budge, is currently scaled to Base DMC2 Dante, who stomped Stronger Mundus while woohoo pizza manning his way
It was mentioned how it doesn't make sense in terms of narrative for them to be infinitely slower, but not only that explanation would really affect whole verses if we consider things like "how someone infinitely fast would even opperate in a non-infinitely fast world", but also doesn't really is about DMC1 Base Dante and more about Mundus and DE Argosax
So, my proposal is:
Or...
In a similar fashion as to what Saint Seiya is doing with their Cosmo, we can apply Infinite levels of Demonic Energy to speed feats of this caliber too
I say this because we have quite literally the three most important points for this here
With DMC1 Dante's speed section being described as something like this:
And of course, anyone stronger than Base DMC1 Dante would also reach this level
Recently, my Infinite speed CRT was re-accepted and, even by then, it was accepted that certain characters are indeed slower than the character which the feat comes from, but not only the profiles do not show that explicitely, there is also a rather big difference going on about who scales who doesn't (Directly, I mean). The owner of the feat isn't Mundus, isn't Argosax, isn't Sparda either, it's DMC2 Dante
Said character can dance around Mundus and can clown Despair Embodied Argosax, they don't scale that directly at all
We usually refer to "the God Tiers" of DMC as basically anyone who is Low 1-C, but truth is there are gaps even inside that power level as it starts with Nightmare and ends at SDT DMC5 Dante (who's capable of one shoting Nightmare like a hundred times over), with Mundus and Argosax being "disappointments" next to him, with Dante even completely forgetting about them at a later point. Now tell me, with such a gap between these guys, can we truly scale them to the guy who stomped them so hard he considered their fight to be Tuesday ?
With Alt Mundus profile saying:
And this is true, Casual Dante is infinitely fast (As this was him when he did the feat), and Alt Mundus could kinda keep up with this Casual Dante
Also worth noting Argosax could also react to DMC2 Dante's frontal attack, although he took some time in order to do so
So as you guys can see, Full Power Alternate Mundus and Despair Embodied are already downscaling from the Infinite speed feat, but then we have:
- Argosax the Chaos, who's weaker than Despair Embodied, also fully scaling
- Sealed Sparda, who's weaker than The Chaos, who's weaker than Despair, who's weaker than Casual Dante, who forgot about him, also fully scaling
- We have Bolverk fully scaling
- We have DMC1 Dante and Nelo Angelo fully scaling
Now, as my quotes here already tell, I have 0 problems with Argosax's and Mundus' scaling/downscaling from Casual DMC2 Dante, but the other examples should really have a more strict look, because
- Whats the reason for Argosax the Chaos to scale ? The Chaos is currently listed as the owner of this statement while this statement comes from Despair Embodied, not The Chaos (Him scaling is what making Sealed Sparda and Bolverk scale too)
- DMC1 Dante (In base) is scaling to Nightmare for direct battle and also has a statement of being "A threat" to Mundus, which is currently listed in his speed section as to maybe a justification for his speed being currently Infinite, but not only it's a statement much less direct than "equal", "close", and more related to his potential as a Sparda Descendant, it was also done when considering Statue Mundus, who, as we see, got the upper hand on DMC1 Dante rather casually, and Dante was already facing him when he got blitzed by his attack. Trish also was able to defend Dante from an attack from this Statue Mundus
So this is DMC1 Dante not reacting to an attack from Statue Mundus, who's weaker than Full Power Mundus, who's weaker than Alt Void Mundus, who's weaker than DMC2 Dante, who owns the feat. You guys get the idea, right ? Base DMC1 Dante, who can't make Statue Mundus budge, is currently scaled to Base DMC2 Dante, who stomped Stronger Mundus while woohoo pizza manning his way
It was mentioned how it doesn't make sense in terms of narrative for them to be infinitely slower, but not only that explanation would really affect whole verses if we consider things like "how someone infinitely fast would even opperate in a non-infinitely fast world", but also doesn't really is about DMC1 Base Dante and more about Mundus and DE Argosax
So, my proposal is:
- Upscale Argosax the Chaos from the many demons he is composed of (At least FTL via Griffon), scale the characters related to him accordingly
- Write FP Mundus, DE Argosax, Abigail, and the ones directly at this level as Slower than DMC2 Dante and just somewhat capable of reacting to him, as that is the case in both lore and cutscenes (Maybe not "At most Infinite" for them, but more about Dante being on a "higher" Infinite, if that makes sense)
- Mundus also has his own MFTL+ feats and could be scaled at "At least MFTL+, possibly Infinite", alongside his fellow equals, although personally I don't think it's necessary
- Nuke the Infinite speed scaling for DMC1 Dante, Nelo Angelo and everyone related
- People equal or Stronger than DMC2 Dante are obviously unnafected
Or...
In a similar fashion as to what Saint Seiya is doing with their Cosmo, we can apply Infinite levels of Demonic Energy to speed feats of this caliber too
I say this because we have quite literally the three most important points for this here
- DMC runs on a perfect UES that directly shows speed decreasing with Demonic Energy being stolen, here we see this
- DMC1 Dante is stated to possess infinite power within his body at two separate occasions
- The series has beings capable of reacting to Infinite speed feats and all of them are currently listed at Low 1-C (But even at their lowest, would still be High 3-A), with such gap being quite consistent through the series
With DMC1 Dante's speed section being described as something like this:
And of course, anyone stronger than Base DMC1 Dante would also reach this level
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