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Discord vs. Ainz Ooal Gown

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Discord
Discord rules celestia drools
Make sense? Oh, what fun is there in making sense?
~ Discord​
Powers and Stats

Tier: At least 4-B, possibly far higher

Name:
Discord

Origin: My Little Pony

Gender: Male

Age: Over 1000 years old (He was around when Celestia and Luna were younger)

Classification: Draconequus, Spirit of Chaos and Disharmony

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Immortality (Types 1, 2, and 3, Often dismembers himself with no problems and could think/remain conscious despite being turned to stone), Weapon Mastery/Weapon Creation (Can create weapons for himself and others to use), Social Influencing (Constantly and masterfully manipulates those around him), Natural Weaponry (His hands have claws at the end of them), Abstract Existence (Type 3. Is described as the embodiment of the Spirit of Chaos and Confusion), Empowerment (The Cutie Mark Crusaders getting into a fight and causing chaos is implied to have helped him escape his weakened seal), Regenerationn (Mid-High. Regenerated from a cloud of dust), Has enhanced physical senses as well as the ability to sense magical disturbances, Flight, Magic, Physics Manipulation (He has displayed control over his realm such as adding and deleting gravity from it on a whim), Reality Warping, Toon Force, Chaos Manipulation, Non-Physical Interaction (Could affect Sombra's magic during their battle, Was able to grab and hold a piece of magic), Energy Projection (Demonstrated here), Size Manipulation, Shapeshifting, Telekinesis, Mind Manipulation, Mind Control, Empathic Manipulation, Morality Manipulation, Body Control, Teleportation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Creation, Healing (Healed Spike and Big Mac inbetween warps), Duplication, Power Bestowal (Turned Big Mac into a unicorn, thus granting him magic and telekinesis), Life Manipulation, Fusionism (Can fuse together and defuse things), Possession (Can possess inanimate objects as well), Biological Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, Transmutation, Durability Negation (Can negate durability with several of his powers), Portal Creation, Disease Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation (Froze a lake), Magma Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Animal Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Electricity and Smoke Manipulation (Demonstrated here), Plant Manipulation (Grew plants that rapidly spread into Ponyville, Presumably grew numerous hedges to seperate the Mane Six in the labrinth), Time Travel, Intangibility, Existence Erasure, Dimensional Storage (Constantly pulls objects out of thin air), Power Nullification (Removed Twilight and Rarity's horns, negating their use of magic, also nullfied Starlight's telekinesis on him ), BFR (Able to throw others into alternate universes), Astral Projection (He could project a ghost form of himself even when his body was banished by Starlight), Spatial Manipulation (Ripped open a tear within the fabric of space merely by using his claws, He can also use the fabric of reality as a shower curtai), Petrification (Can petrify himself and others), Light Manipulation & Darkness Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Resurrection, and Shockwave Generation (Demonstrated these abilities while disguised as Grogar)), Elasticity, 4th Wall Awareness, Clairvoyance (With Crystal Ball), Resistance to Fire/Heat Manipulation (Has set himself on fire with no issue), Magma Manipulation (Stood in lava without feeling the effects), Power Nullification (Resisted Twilight's attempt to reverse his magic, Was unaffected by the Smooze's ability to nullify magic), and Sleep Manipulation (Wasn't affected by the sleep part of the Stone Sleep spell)

Attack Potency: At least Solar System level (Defeated both Celestia and Luna at once, who themselves can raise the Sun and Moon. Is possibly the one responsible for creating his own realm. Said to be able to defeat the whole changeling army with just a sneeze. Stronger than King Sombra), possibly far higher (Stated that his power can rip the very fabric of reality, and on another occasion exclaimed that his power can warp all of reality as well. Pinkie Pie with his powers stated that she could transform the entire cosmos.) Can bypass conventional durability with several of his powers.

Speed: At least Massively FTL+ combat and magic speed (Comparable to Princess Luna. Nonchalantly reacted to the Elements of Harmony), potentially far higher (Does all his feats casually)

Lifting Strength: At least Stellar with telekinesis

Striking Strength: Unknow (Has never shown actual demonstrations of it)

Durability: At least Solar System level (Was completely unharmed by a blast from King Sombra), possibly far higher. Intangibility and Regenerationn make him very difficult to kill.

Stamina: Unknown. Likely limitless (Seems to never get tired)

Range: Interplanetary (Able to move around the Sun). Low Multiversal via portals (Was going to banish Treehugger into another dimension by using a portal)

Standard Equipment: None

Optional Equipment: Exploding Chocolate Milk, Plunderseeds, Crystal Ball, Grogar's Bewitching Bell

Intelligence: Mentally unstable, but a rather clever trickster as he was able to outsmart and deceive the Mane 6

Weaknesses: Can be so overconfident and cocky that he will not go all-out against enemies, and has a tendency to underestimate his opponents (Has been defeated three times due to this; Initially by Celestia and Luna, later by the Mane Six, and most recently by Tirek). If Discord acts or becomes "normal", he starts to fade away from existence as he cannot use his reality warping powers in the process of doing so, but it can be reversed if he experiences something "chaotic".

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

  • Reality Warping: Discord's reality warping has shown no real limitations, but it is not as powerful as Tirek was after draining most of Equestria's citizens. Although he usually activates his powers with a snap of his fingers, its actually been shown to be thought based on multiple occassions.
Ainz Ooal Gown
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Applause, then. A round of applause in celebration of my supreme power.
~ Ainz Ooal Gow​
Powers and Stats

Tier: At least 8-C physically, likely higher. 7-B with magic. At least 7-B physically with Perfect Warrior. Unknow with Wish Upon A Star. Unknow with access to Nazarick's treasury

Name: Ainz Ooal Gown, Momonga, Dark Hero Momon, Sorcerer King, Suzuki Satoru

Origin: Overlord

Gender: Male

Age: Unknown

Classification: Eclipse, Overlord, Elder Lich, Skeleton Mage, Heteromorphic Race, Overlord of Nazarick, Adamantite-Plate Adventurer.

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception, Master Swordsmanship, Preparation, Magic, Magic Constructs (Can create weapons, armor, arrows, etc.), Glyph Creation, Limited Magic Modification, Elemental Manipulation (Fire, Ice, Lightning, Wind, Darkness, Light, likely more), Holy Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Hell Flame Manipulation, Time Stop, Spatial Manipulation, Durability Negation (Reality Slash ignores conventional durability), Negative Energy Manipulation and Projection (heals undead and drains the stats of the living, eventually paralyzing them), Gravity Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Undead Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Bone Manipulation, Pseudo-Black Hole Creation, Forcefield Creation, Healing (Healing spells heal the living, Negative Energy heals the undead), Necromancy, Regenerationn (At least Low-Mid), Immortality (Types 1, 3, 4, and possibly 7), Creation, Absorption, Invisibility, Self-Fragrance Removal, Self-Sound Removal, Removal of all Physical Traces, Stealth Mastery, Teleportation, Telepathy, Telekinetic Fixatio, Flight, Explosion Manipulation, Enemy Summoning Nullification, Statistics Amplification (strength, speed, resistances, luck, etc), Resurrection (Works on himself and others), Summoning, Spiritual Awareness, Night Vision, Magic Vision, Aura, Portal Creation, Homing Attacks, Reality Warping (With "Wish Upon A Star"), Statistics Reduction (Can reduce the strength and speed of opponents with each touch), Can cast almost any spell instantly without having to announce it, Dimensional Storage, Clairvoyance, Transformation, Transmutation, Information Analysis, Self-Information Manipulation, Illusion Creation, Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Despair Aura IV inflicts permanent insanity on a foe), Paralysis Inducement, Regenerationn Negation, Resistance Negation (Has skills that boost some of his abilities to overcome weaker resistances, and The Goal of All Life is Death allows Ainz to ignore any types of resistance to his instant-death magic - even immunities or immortality, killing everything from the oxygen in the air to the ground itself), Non-Physical Interaction (Can cause damage to intangible targets), Damage Boost, Status Effect Inducement, Self-Sustenance (Types 1, 2 and 3), Social Influencing (Is noted to be extremely charismatic and regularly makes people overestimate his intelligence, though this is entirely unintentional and usually unknown to him. His charisma made Neia Baraja incredibly worshipful of him). Resistance to Magic, Poison, Disease, Sleep, Paralysis, Ice, Electricity, Acid, Necromancy, Petrification, Death Manipulation, Energy Drai, Statistics Reduction, Mind Manipulation (Including all forms of Empathic Manipulation), Information Analysis, Extrasensory Perception (Could not be sensed by Shalltear), Clairvoyance, Time Manipulation, Physical Impediment (Automatically phases through whatever is trying to stop him), Slashing Weapons, and Piercing Weapons. Limited Power Nullification (With World-class items, all other World-class item effects are negated). His World-Class Item grants him Resistance to BFR, Mind Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Sealing, Reality Warping, Law Manipulation, Resistance Negation, and more.

Attack Potency: At least Building level physically (Despite being a magic caster, he completely outclasses adamantite adventurers and veteran warriors such as Brai and Gazef, who themselves rank above third-fourth tier magic), likely higher. City level with magic (Even a non-combative Super Tier spell, Creation, is capable of freezing a massive lake; capable of injuring Shalltear Bloodfalle with most serious spells such as Fallen Dow). At least City level physically with Perfect Warrior (Becomes on par with Shalltear Bloodfallen). Unknow with Wish Upon A Star (Capable of granting wishes, possibly even destructive ones, of unknown limit)

Speed: Supersonic+ (Should be comparable to Albedo; fought with and defeated Shalltear; capable of moving so quickly that he creates a vacuum of unknown size)

Lifting Strength: At least Class 10 (Casually picked up and threw a drago this large), Class M with Perfect Warrior (Should be comparable to Shalltear)

Striking Strength: At least Building Class (Casually crushed Clementine to death with his bare arms), likely higher. At least City Class with Perfect Warrior.

Durability: At least City level, Unknow when boosting his defenses with barriers, armor and more (Took numerous hits from Shalltear, and withstood being at the epicenter of a Super-Tier spell he had cast), immortality and various resistances make him extremely hard to permanently put down.

Stamina: Physically tireless. Has extremely high mana for extended spellcasting.

Range: Varies, some high-tier spells can achieve up to tens of kilometers. Thousands of kilometers, possibly planetary via Greater Teleportation and Gate.

Standard Equipment: The only item that Ainz carries on his person other than his equipment is his unnamed World-Class Item. Although its effects are unknown, all world-class Items grant their user extremely potent resistances to all effects that can be used by World-class Items. The rest of Ainz's items are contained within a pocket dimension which he can access freely by opening small portals to reach inside of. Ainz can connect his pocket dimension to his guild's treasury if given time to prepare, which gives him access to his old allies' divine items, and his guild's world-class items. With time to prepare, he can also use cash shop items to lower cast times for super-tier spells or switch weapons instantly without having to reach into his inventory.

Main Equipment

  • Ring of Ainz Ooal Gow
  • Shooting Star
  • Ring of Mastery Wand
  • 10 Rings [Divine class]: Each of the rings is imbued with a different power.
    • Ring of Ainz Ooal Gown [Divine class artifact]: Allows the user to freely teleport between every room inside Nazarick. Every member of Ainz Ooal Gown was required to wear this ring.
    • Shooting Star [Divine class artifact]: Allows the user to activate the super-tier magic, "Wish Upon a Star" three times without consuming experience.
    • Ring that allows the user to resurrect with little loss of exp.
    • Ring that protects the user from detection by all kinds of divination-type magic.
    • Ring that protects the user from behavior disturbance.
    • Ring that suppresses Ainz's passive aura of extreme fear.
    • Ring that allows Ainz to use wands containing spells from incompatible classes (such as his resurrection wand).
    • Three more rings with unknown effects
  • Cloak [Divine class]: It has a Chaotic Aura Effect, causing a rippling dark red aura to rise from the feet, an aura that feels turbulent and sinister.
Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown Databook
Staff of Ainz Ooal Gow

  • This custom weapon spews out a vortex of dark red aura when held. Sometimes it forms the face of a human in agony that crumbles away. It is so vivid that it feels as though you can hear their voices of pain. The staff has seven snakes engraved on it, each clutching a gem that is a Divine class artifact, and aligned with the elements of Sun, Moon, Earth, Fire, Wind, Water and Time. Each gem has a unique ability and the power to summon monsters level 85 and above once a day. It is also able to greatly raise the user's racial abilities, allowing them to bypass immunities. Because each gem belongs to an entire series of items, since the complete collection is united, one can display its immense power. Ainz hesitates to use it because since it is a guild weapon, should it be destroyed, the guild of Ainz Ooal Gown will be disbanded. Ainz usually carries around a hollow replica with no special abilities.
Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown's Spells and Abilities

  • Automatic Attack Mode: The Staff of Ainz Ooal Gown seems to possess some sort of intelligence, and is capable of making decisions independently of Ainz in order to assist him in battle. It even possesses a mental bond with Ainz, making it able to coordinate with him and follow his strategies without him needing to give it orders.
  • Dimensional Lock: An 8th-tier spell which creates a large field in which enemies are unable to use teleportation magic or other means of instantaneous movement.
  • Elemental Creature Summoning: Each gem is capable of summoning creatures aligned with its element, which will follow Ainz or the Staff's orders. Among its strongest summons are Primal Elementals of Air, Earth, Fire, Water, and Star, which are each level 87 except for the Primal Star Elemental, which is level 90.
  • Fire Storm: A divine-aligned fire spell which covers a large area.
  • Flight: When in Automatic Attack Mode, the staff is capable of flying around on its own.
  • Shining Blast: A divine-aligned area of effect attack spell, which does increased damage to undead and other evil creatures, as well as creatures with a low karma value. Conversely, it deals far less damage to creatures with a high karma value.
  • Veil of Moon: A defensive spell which creates an immaterial barrier around the user.
  • Vermilion Nova: A 9th tier spell which engulfs the target in a large pillar of flame.
  • Data Manipulation: The staff can be used to operate the Ainz Ooal Gown guild base, though Ainz can do this on his own since he is the guild leader.
Dark Hero Equipment

  • Necroplasmic Mantle
  • Momon's Swords
While in his adventurer persona, Ainz uses jet black armor and twin greatswords. Without using Perfect Warrior, He has the physical ability of a level 35, but can still use low tier spells and skills. However, his techniques are rather rough and he doesn't use any martial arts skills at all. With perfect warrior in effect, he gains the physical abilities of a level 100 warrior, and his fighting style becomes properly skilled and in sync with his power.

  • Dark Warrior Armor: This armor is created for his Adventurer Persona "Momon the Dark Hero" by the spell Create Greater Item. The armor's hardness is said to be comparable to Adamantite. Because it's created by magic, it bypasses Ainz's class restrictions and can be dismissed and remade as needed.
  • Twin Greatswords: The two swords are created by the spell Create Greater Item for his adventurer persona primarily, wielding one in each hand for melee combat as a warrior. Because they were created by Ainz, they are easily renewable, so they can be used as throwing weapons.
Other Equipment

  • J├írngreipr
  • Mask of Envy
  • Stiletto
  • Black Belt
  • Black Widow Spider Clothes
  • Crown of Mental Barriers
  • Frost Pain Modified: Upon making modifications to the original weapon, Ainz was able to summon this weapon from his pocket dimension to aid him in his battle against Jaldabaoth. It does frost damage over time, slowly reducing the target's physical abilities, and can also release a freezing burst up to three times. As this weapon is much stronger than the original, its power was great enough to even suppress Demiurge's hellfire effect for a duration of time.
  • Haste Boots
  • J├írngreipr: A common item that improves the user's strength. It is used by Ainz Ooal Gown members only to cover up their hands.
  • Mask of Envy: A YGGDRASIL holiday item awarded to those who logged in during Christmas Eve between 7 AM and 10 PM and played for over two hours. Unfortunately, this item is useless in battle, providing no special effects - although it does provide Ainz a disguise to conceal his undead appearance.
  • Nemean Lio
  • Stilettos: Ainz looted Clementine's equipment right after her death, and later wields four of these piercing weapons at the imperial arena. He utilized one of them skillfully against the Martial Lord before defeating him. They can be imbued with spells that activate when stabbed into an enemy, allowing him to defeat the Martial Lord with fire and acid spells from the inside.
  • Sure Hit Glasses
Consumable Items

  • Minor Healing Potio
  • Cash Shop Item
  • Horn of the Goblin General: When blown, summons a goblin troop which consists of twelve goblin soldiers, two goblin archers, one goblin mage, one goblin cleric, two goblin wolf riders, and one goblin leader. If certain conditions are met, it can summon dozens of much more powerful goblins in order to fight off an army. However, they are still low level.
  • Minor Healing Potion: For an undead creature, a healing potion is a lethal poison, however, Ainz keeps them in reserve for emergencies.
  • Resurrection Wand: This magic item is able to fully restore a dead target back to life by using the spell True Resurrection, which is potent enough to completely restore the target's body and soul and can presumably counter True Death.
  • Exchange Puppets: Cash shop items that allow the user to switch places with any being that they are given to.
  • Hourglasses: Cash shop items that allow the user to nullify the cast time of a super-tier spell when broken.
  • Wooden Sticks: Cash shop items that, when pre-assigned to a specific item, allow the user to switch to that item instantly by breaking them.
Intelligence: An expert strategist in combat, Ainz always tries to fight with knowledge of his enemy, and doesn't underestimate his opponents. Unless he knows for sure that the enemy is no threat, he will usually start the battle with instant death spells like Grasp Heart, and won't wait long to use his other hax either.

Weaknesses: He is naturally susceptible to the holy and fire elements, but can negate one of those weaknesses depending on his choice of gear. Because of class restrictions, Ainz normally cannot equip most weapons and armor, but he has two ways to get around this restriction. He takes extra damage from crushing attacks, and The Goal of All Life is Death has a cooldown of exactly 100 hours. Additionally, Ainz's spells can be interrupted by damage comparable to his tier if he decides not to silently cast them.

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

Overlord Abilities

  • Competence in Evil Language
  • Create High Tier Undead (up to 4/day): Ainz can create either an Eyeball Corpse or a Pale Rider by using this ability. If Ainz were to use his experience points, he can even create level 90 monsters. (Overlord Wiseman / Grim Reaper Thanatos).
  • Create Middle Tier Undead (up to 12/day): Ainz can create a Death Knight, Jack the Ripper, or Corpse Collector by using this ability.
  • Create Low Tier Undead (up to 20/day): Ainz can create Wraiths or Bone Vultures by using this ability.
  • Dark Soul
  • Dark Wisdom: Allows the user to increase the number of spells one can learn by experiencing a sacrifice-ritual event. It can also be used to learn a single spell from the corpse of an enemy player. This allows Ainz to know far more spells than is usually possible; he can even learn and use holy spells.
  • Despair Aura I: Has a high chance of causing Fear.
  • Despair Aura II: Has a high chance of causing Panic.
  • Despair Aura III: Has a high chance of causing Confusion.
  • Despair Aura IV: Has a high chance of causing Insanity.
  • Despair Aura V: Has a high chance of causing Instant Death.
  • Electric, Poison, Ice Invalidatio
  • High Tier Repel Resistance III
  • High Tier Magic Invalidation III: Nullifies all low tier spells.
  • High Tier Physical Invalidation III: Nullifies all attacks that are below level 60.
  • Immortal Blessing: Can sense other undead beings.
  • Negative Touch: Deals negative-type damage to the object being touched, attacked, or skill-attacked by Ainz, permanently lowering their physical capabilities. Acquired by Elder Lich level up. Can toggle On/Off.
  • Negative Guard
  • Negative Blessing
  • Status Damage Ôàú
  • Slashing
 
Even though its grace I gotta ask, doesn't Discord usually have to physically make a snap with a part of his body? Can't actually recall any instance where he does something with just a thought without any physical snapping.
 
He can simply think and the ability can still can happen. However, in character Discord usually snaps his fingers to perform his magic, especially against other beings. This doesn't really change much since snapping your fingers are still extremely quick, so to give this thread the benefit of the doubt and say it's inconclusive.

@Bones
 
Wait just a moment, I know grace has ended but don't you guys think Ainz win? Because both think at the same time: Discord dies and Ainz lose his powers so why the incon votes?
 
I'm unsure myself, but I suppose with them happening at almost the exact same moment it'd be difficult which happens first.
 
Weird.

I could of sworn Ainz resisted transmutation.

But this seems right.
 
Discord can still trasmute the guy since it apparently isn't on the profile. He's dead, but Ainz is stuck as an inanmate object. "Is it in character?" We've never seen the guy in a straight up fight to the death so it's impossible to say. Of course it also can't be said he won't use it for this very reason. He can definitely do transfiguration with gestures.
 
Yea, I was wrong. Thought it was a World Item or something.

But regarding leading moves, the burden of proof is on Discord supporters to find his lead.
 
Which again, you're asking for something impossible since we've never seen him in a straight fight to the death. Hence why I voted for incon since he could lead with anything and had nothing conclusive.
 
Snapping is Discord go to move, didn't he lose fights by getting surprised before he can snap his fingers? I know its how the season 9 finale even happened. I just think that thinking of a spell is faster than physical snapping. Also wouldn't Discord magic go away if he's dead? I swear I recall in MLP that magical effects (that aren't made to last) goes away when the user goes unconscious or something, unless I'm simply misremembering things.

Out of curiousity I seriously wanna know any instance of when Discord didn't had to do a snapping or physical motion in a fight or when he went to do so after getting ganked in a surprise attack.
 
I'm sure Discord can think for an ability to happen, but I do agree that it isn't in his character to not snap against his opponents or, displaying his magic in general.
 
Bonesdrowy said:
Snapping is Discord go to move, didn't he lose fights by getting surprised before he can snap his fingers? I know its how the season 9 finale even happened. I just think that thinking of a spell is faster than physical snapping. Also wouldn't Discord magic go away if he's dead? I swear I recall in MLP that magical effects (that aren't made to last) goes away when the user goes unconscious or something, unless I'm simply misremembering things.
The bolded part should be answered, as if it is true

Either Discord dies while Ainz loses his powers, resulting in Ainz winning

or Discord dies while Ainz gets transmuted, but it wears off, leading to Ainz still winning

that's just from what i'm seeing here
 
Nope, not happening. Discord's magic effects persist even after being defeated. Even after turning him to stone and nulling his powers the Elements still had to travel over Ponyville and manually undo his reality warping.
 
Because his reality warping persisted after his magic was nullified? Did you read my post? Killing Discord will have the same effects as negating his magic.
 
So were in a similar spot, ainz death haxs, discord could either transmute or power null, depending on which he uses ainz is either turned to stone as he dies or lives with his powers nulled which would be a victory.
 
As I've said: That's not exactly knowable since we've never seen how he uses his powers in a straight up fight. Can someone show me Ainz's death manipulation?
 
Grasp Heart crushes the heart while also inducing death magic

and he also likes to use Death, both of which can be cast with Silent magic, which makes it so he doesn't have to say the spell and making it thought based,

"Does it matter? First we kill him, then―"

"―Shut up." Ainz interrupted their conversation and cast a silent eighth tier spell, ÒÇîDeath ÒÇì. The ape-like demihuman's smile was frozen on his face as he slowly collapsed. "...What? What did you―"

"―I told you to shut up, didn't I?" Ainz once again cast a silent ÒÇîDeathÒÇì spell. The four-legged demihuman collapsed in the same way as just now. "Eh? Ehhh? What happened? What's going on?"
 
Out of curiocity, do Ainz's death spells automatically insta kill the target? Or does the target get a second or so before dying to it? Know little about Overlord, so I'm just making sure I cover my bases.
 
actually

if Discord does usually snap his fingers

then silent Time Stop will activate before he can do it, which then Ainz can just use any death spell to win
 
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