In all your Dio Freeze scans, only Dire was frozen solid, in which Dio himself says it takes two full seconds to do that. With Jonathan and Will, neither were frozen solid, the freeze only encased Jonathan and it only froze Will's arm no deeper than the upper epidermis.
It being fast and only taking a super short time doesnt mean it's instant, if it takes any time at all then by definition, it can not be instant.
>I took the trouble to read SBR number 76 and 77, Lucy has all 9 parts on her body ... it seems to me that someone else needs to reread the manga before arguing anything.
You ignored the fact Diego didnt know that, he knows Corpse Part holders are immune to Scary Monsters, he knows Funny had a corpse part, in fact the last time Diego saw Funny, Funny took the eye from him. Diego has no reason to not think Funny didnt have any corpse part on him, especially when he knows for a fact he has the full thing on him. That's iognoring that Diego's main goal was to kill him instantly in one blow preventing D4C from hopping. It's not that i need to reread it, especially given I have it opened in another tab, but you ignoring context of the situation. Funny has a corpse part which makes him immune, Diego for all intents and purposes knows this, while Funny loses it before he fights Diego again, Diego is not aware of this fact, as such it's a non issue, why would Diego try to do something he expects would fail? Not to mention that wasnt his goal.
>seriously, is their argument playing with perspective?
The argument has nothing to do with perspective but rather
paying attentio.
>if you don't see a difference between turning someone into a dinosaur-shaped object and a real dinosaur you can control, we already started badly, I know it's a fanatic term and I know that in itself it is only a derivation of the same ability, just like GE with its "healing", which really is only a derivation of the creation of life, it is not misused
Again, you're factually wrong on this one. Diego turns people into object shaped dinosaurs, not dinosaur shaped object, which is a drastic difference. Fossilization, which isnt even an actual power, and his usual dino transmutation, both reqire that Diego turn them into dinosaurs. It's a neccesity which we see very clearly twice. GE cant even heal, Giorno himself explaind this in great detail.
> Exactly you say it yourself, there is no proof that one of Diego's transformed dinosaurs is different from Ferdinand's, therefore the infection caused by these will be the same, so gradual taking several minutes. Exactly Diego has only shown that he can transform the instant directly, touching them, I would recommend thinking before writing, because at least at this point you only show that I am correct.
Uh, did you actually just waste all this time on something
nobody was ******* arguing. The entire point was that Diego can instantly turn others into dinosaurs if he touches them. Why the **** did you bring up all this other shit when nobody was talking about it in the firstplace. The whole arument is if Diego touches Dio he can instanty turn him into a dinosuar, indirect infection via a previously turned animal was never brought up. I dont even think it's a case of me thinking before writing but rather you bringing up shit that's completely off topic ultimately derailing the conversation.
>Diego's super senses predict the movements of the horses, the best way to go, the breathing of the horses, allows him to see better what moves faster, he can sense the people who are carrying a horse,
It's done a hell of a lot more than that, and he can predict said movements of the horses minutes ahead f time.
>now tell me, like shit Are you going to predict that someone is going to throw liquid from your eyes?
Predict it? No, but Diego should by all account be able to pick up Dio's irises splitting, giving him a warning to dodge.
>but having the speeds equal and in the situation of proximity that I assumed (we already agreed that it was incorrect), it would be impossible to avoid something like that.
Even Jonathan was able to react to it and he's equal in speed with Dio, difference hereis that Diego has far better mobility agility and dexterity that would allow him to dodge it much better.
>We know? ... error, you deduce, we don't know; Tests ?, what, physically look and have the same statistics ?, are your tests? Confirmation of the author himself ?, Did I miss one of an interview where I confirm this, or is it another of his assumptions taken from where the sun does not reach him?
I hope you realize that
having the same statistics literally means they have the same speed, strength, precision, etc. Yes confirmation by the author, Araki went out of his way to give them identical stats, confirming that yes, they are both supposed to be the same. Hell, he even went out of his way to give them the exact same effective range of 10m. You keep saying it's an assumption, yet youre making far more assumptions than anyone here. Both The World's look identical, have identical powers and the author even gave them identical stats to reflect that they are indeed the same, yet youre saying they arent based on false equilavence with a completely different verse and that alternate universe characters cant scale between each other even though that's outright contradicted, on top of something hat we do all the time here if given reason.
>I had forgotten that the MCU existed in the Marvel Multiverse / Omniverse, but that doesn't change the fact that I was clearly referring to the canon with the comics, you are using a ridiculous technicality (like the MCU Earth number, which has never been used in movies) to deny just one example.
Actually that's your
only example and it's the biggest outlier on the planet, you completely ignore that comic earhs having different powers is canon within the setting and established, but also conviently acting like a 101 year old comic book franchise with tens of thousands of authors is comparable to
anything in existence. Same goes with DC. And pointing out the earth number isnt a technicallity, it's straight up how it is.
>And it's not that "it's not canon", within its universe it is, just that you can't use the laws, the scale and the exploits of one verse to add it to another just because yes,
Reading comphrehension mate, I was saying if it
wasnt canon' then even bringing it up wouldnt matter and it'd be a false equilavence because it'd be nor more than fanfiction. But because it is cano
within the multiverse, it follows the established rules, which is, Marvel verses are outright confirmed to have differing levels of power as a normal canon thing, no such rule exists within JoJo so you saying that alternate universes in JoJo absolutely cant scale between them on the notion that theyre alternate is ******* ridiculous. And no, there's reason to believe that it's the case in JoJo, cros scaling that is, you're just in heavy denial and conviently ignore everything that goes against your baseless notion.
>I don't know how the Pokemon universe or multiverse works like this I'm going to ignore that part, what I know is that there is no indication that Jojo works as it paints such a verse, there is no confirmation from the author, there is only one character to compare with and only because he looks like a previous character.
Youre gonna have to argue that part because that's how we treat things here, cross universe scaling is allowed, we do it for Pokemon, we do it for even Fire Emblem (With most games being super reliant on scaling to alternate timelines and universes of spells and magic). Something being an alternate version doesnt mean we cant cross scale, especially when there's substantial proof saying theyre the same in power and the like. And yes there is confirmation, you just cant accept it for some unknown reason, but whatever that reason may be doesnt matter or change the fact it is true. And no, there's numerous characters that show cross scaling can be legit. And saying it's
only because they look the same is a bullshit lie and a huge fallacy, there's a lot more than them just being identical in appearance, it'd be a wonder if you could go one post without resorting to skewing an argument by chery picking and disregarding everything that may contradict you.
>Its last two paragraphs are the same deduction hers explained and over-explained and full of exaggerations.
Over explained? Yes, because you're apparently incapable of grasping it with a normal explaination. Exaggeratios? There's none, everything I said is to be taken at face value.
>excuse me, but can you mention me those times?
How about the alternate Wekapipo's, various Diego's. the alternate Johnny's, Hot Pants (
With both Hot Pants outright being comparable and equal in speed, even cross countering at the same time, outright confirming that alternate versions can indeed be equal), or, you know, the metric **** ton of Valentine's.
>perhaps refers to Weakapipo who also appeared only to die
Mainline Diego encounters an alt Wekapipo multiple times, not just when he gets put in the flag at the end of the halfway point of the arc.
>the Valentine, of whom even varied in their physique
This one here is blatanty untrue, all the Valentine's were completely identical. I hopeto god you're not talking about hw Funny initially appeared as fat then later became toned, because that's already been commented on by Araki. Who said it was just him changing the art style and drawing Funny differently because he didnt like him being fat. They didnt vary in physique, what happened was that Araki changed his mind, in universe and context nothing changed and Funny was always the same, along with his duplicates.
>the Avdol with a different name than It was not even shown that it had a stand
You do know that Abdul is his last name right? And Part 3 Abdul's name is Muhammed. All things considered that was likely an ancestor, given the explicit name difference, not even being close to the same, as well predating Part 3 Abdul by like, 80 years. Then again, he only appeared for half a chapter and was taken out via a trick, we have no idea about the specifics on him.
>Jonnhy with ACT 3 who basically made a cameo
Making an appearance, multiple times, in an important moment, isnt a cameo, even the it being a cameo would change that it happens and exists and is part of a critical moment, also serving to establish in alternate universes Johnny made it up to Act 3 and he was going through a similiar situation as the main Johnny was doing.
> I know he refers to Hot Pants, right? Well, if he refers to it, I doubt very much that using a single equal ability to scaling a whole multiverse.
Why? Because it shuts down your point that none are comparable or equal even though we know for a fact they can be, and Hot Pants aint even the only time. It's a good example, but it's not the only example. Hell I'd argue that The World being the same is an example but you're so far deep in denial that the most obvious example youre actively arguing isnt true. But even then, one example is all that's needed to prove you wrong, because if one is true, than so can others, (Not withstanding multiple exaples do exist but just letting you know one is all that's needed to invalidate your counterpoint).
>No thanks, I am satisfied that in one of those vignette at the beginning of the manga, I put a comment confirming it saying something like: 'Introducing THE WORLD a stand that has rivaled in power with Star Platinum "or shit like that but better made."
Which is what he did in JoJoveller by potraying both The World's as equal? Dio you really not comprehend this? It's even better than what you're suggesting, instead of scaling to Star Platinum, he's scaling directly from his alternate self.
>It's not that I like it or not, don't make it personal, it's only that it is silly to do the scaling made by one of his deductions and that he proclaimed it as if Araki himself had confirmed it, it is simply stupid.
The only stupid thing here is your blatant and excessive ignorance of even the most simple of things. Let me break this down for you.
1. Both The World's are 100% identical in appearance, even the D motif has been used in Dio's The World as early as 2000, 11 years prior to Diegio's The World.
2. Both The World's function the same, having the same abilities with zero discrepancy, not only that no contradiction exists to say that there is any discrepancy between them. They are shown to have the same powers with zero difference.
3. Araki has gone out of his way to potray them as equal, even giving Diego's The World the exact same stats as Dio's to reflect how they're the same, even down to the effective range, both being 10m exactly.
And yes, the fact Araki gave them the same stats (Meaning they have equal strength, speed, precision, potential, staying and even range, that being his intention in doing so)
is confirmatio that theyre the same, if it wasnt obvious prior, it becomes undeniable after JoJoveller came out.
