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DIO has his Phantom Blood abilities (Criticism)

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>Also: Goku not using the Destructo-Disc in Dragon Ball Super is not enough reason to suggest that he is now unable to use it. Such a line of logic is not valid because it does not take into account the potential reasons why Goku had chose not to use it, such as now having more powerful moves or simply not finding the right situation or opportunity to use such a move.

You're implying that there is nothing different between Part I Dio compared to Part III. Goku continously grows stronger whereas Dio lost his original body. That's the difference.

>No, because there is no indication how he is resisting him, nor is there anything suggesting that a dead body can retain hamon for up to 100 years. Once you stop breathing, you quickly lose the hamon that was generated inside of your body. We've seen this from Jonathan. I personally believe Jonathan was ACTUALLY resisting him, like in a physical manner, struggling for control.

DIO used Jonathan's body as energy. Nonetheless, hamon takes the form of energy.

>As me and Dargoo have already told you, if Straizo had hamon inside of him he would DIE.This is him using hamon breathing as a vampire. That is also him immediately dying.

Here are a couple of scans of vampires survivng weak hamon. (1 , 2 , 3 )

>I'm pretty sure "They are like the back and front!" is synonymous with "They are opposite sides!"

Same energy as a coin with two exact sides.
 
ProfessorLord said:
You're abusing the ignorance on others parts. Ultimate Kars was the perfect biologically being, able to generate hamon with far more proficiency and capacity. His hamon energy reached levels comparable to the actual su, that's why Joseph was hurt by his hamon.
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Instead of a "larger wave of hamon"?

which is larger energy.
 
>You're implying that there is nothing different between Part I Dio compared to Part III. Goku continously grown stronger whereas Dio lost his original body. That's the difference.

You would normally be correct in this, and this is the only acceptable logic that proves DIO does not have his vaporizing freeze.

However, Awakened DIO himself has acknowledged he had regained control of his body once more, and has said that he is the strongest he has ever been.

Therefore he is the exact same as Goku. He was strong, got weaker, but grew even stronger than before. You have already acknowledged it is acceptable for Goku.

>DIO used Jonathan's body as energy. Nonetheless, hamon takes the form of energy.

DIO has always referred to it as hamon. Never once "energy" and therefore him saying energy in this instance leads me to believe that he was talking about the energy an animal naturally has within them, not hamon.

>Here are a couple of scans of vampires survivng weak hamon. (1 , 2 , 3 )

That's hardly surviving, they are extremely injured and have cracks down their skulls from said weak hamon. If Straizo had weak hamon within him, we would see it.
 
>However, Awakened DIO himself has acknowledged he had regained control of his body once more, and has said that he is the strongest he has ever been.

Stronger does not imply control. He can have a boost, yet he still has potential to develop. Hence the neck scar and time stop development argument.

>Therefore he is the exact same as Goku. He was strong, got weaker, but grew even stronger than before. You have already acknowledged it is acceptable for Goku.

If DIO's body was fully his then does he lose Jonathan's stand?

>DIO has always referred to it as hamon. Never once "energy" and therefore him saying energy in this instance leads me to believe that he was talking about the energy an animal naturally has within them, not hamo

You're basing this off from DIO's speculation not a hamon master.

>That's hardly surviving, they are extremely injured and have cracks down their skulls from said weak hamon. If Straizo had weak hamon within him, we would see it.

Did they survive or did they not? Regardless, it was still hamon.
 
>Stronger does not imply control. He can have a boost, yet he still has potential to develop. Hence the neck scar and time stop development argument.

He said he was stronger once he actually drank the blood, and he said to Vanilla Ice that the blood of one more person will make the body his own.

If it is his own body, logically that implies he has 100% control over it yet again. This of course means he has every ability he once had.

>If DIO's body is fully his then does he lose Jonathan's stand?

Very irrelevant, but I do not think he loses the stand. He might, either way that is another discussion topic altogether. He has never used said stand ever in combat anyay.

>Did they survive or did they not? Regardless, it was still hamon.

If Straizo was recieving the same amount of hamon due to the fact that it is naturally in his bloodstream at all times as you suggest, then he would have giant cracks in his body like the zombies in the included pictures,
 
I think no other points can be made, it's devolving into the same argument over and over.

Can we now have people actually discuss it now?
 
>If it is his own body, logically that implies he has 100% control over it yet again.

Although, it wasn't originally his body to begin with.

>Very irrelevant, but I do not think he loses the stand. He might, either way that is another discussion topic altogether. He has never used said stand ever in combat anyay.

The stand has a connection to Jonathan's body which implies that DIO does not have full control over it which originally had hamon. Adding more hamon would possibly make it worst since it adds more to Jonothan's hamon.

>If Straizo was recieving the same amount of hamon due to the fact that it is naturally in his bloodstream at all times as you suggest, then he would have giant cracks in his body like the zombies in the included pictures,

The scans shows that vampires can survive a weak amount of hamon as a whole. Hamon is a breathing technique. Utilizing it only increases the amount of hamon energy in your body. Nonetheless, Straizo had hamon in his body, yet never used it.
 
We know vampires can survive a weak amount of hamon, but they still suffer from any amount of hamon regardless. Those vampires were still badly injured by those weak amounts. We would have seen Straizo badly injured if your hypothesis on him still having hamon in his blood was true.

That's all, people can now discuss I think.
 
Yet you've accepted that vampires can survive a weak amount of hamon. Hamon only gets weakened if "your breathing's become less efficient. " Vampires drain blood to obtain energy due to DIO draining Joseph and Jonathan's body having energy.

>Those vampires were still badly injured by those weak amounts.

This isn't badly injured.

I have nothing to say so far. The Goku argument should only apply to DIO's head (SRS) if it were to be true since it was never affected to begin with.
 
ProfessorLord said:
@Dargoo aren't you going to comment?
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Ehhhhh I'm having trouble tracking the debate.

I was also originally against him having the powers, so I can see where Solid is coming from.

Although Dio should scale off of Straizo's regen.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Although Dio should scale off of Straizo's regen.
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If the only justification is because they are vampires then I really can't stop you. Please take note that Nukesaku is also a vampire and should have similar Regenerationn if that were to be the case.
 
Cool, just ignore how Straizo commented that Dio's powers were superior to his.

Seriously, I've said that three or four times and you've refused to even recognize it.
 
They are both vampires with regen.

Straitzo claims that Dio has better regen than him,

Straitzo had firsthand experience with Dio in Part 1.

It's not hasty generalization, it's just basic logic. Dismissing my arguments with "hasty generalization" just goes to show your lack of effort in actually disproving and debating them.

I'll pull the scans.
 
"Contstant Insults"

Me claiming you're not putting effort behind your arguments isn't an insult.

I'd like more than "Hasty Generlization" from your side, and I've yet to receive it.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
I'd like more than "Hasty Generlization" from your side, and I've yet to receive it.
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"If the only justification is because they are vampires then I really can't stop you. Please take note that Nukesaku is also a vampire and should have similar Regenerationn if that were to be the case."
 
Also, since you implied I was insulting you on multiple occasions, I'd like to know each and every case where I have done so.

As much as I don't think you're being reasonable with calling that an insult, I'd like to keep the debate civil and get a better understanding of what you consider an "insult".
 
This debate has nothing to do with me whatsoever.

Nonetheless, I would appreciate it if some other users were involved.
 
Wait, did Nukesaku even put the Stone Mask on?

Also, Vanilla Ice regened from a stabbed head, and a broken neck without blood.
 
It is never stated. I assume he is just referred to as a vampire like Vanilla Ice, rather than actually being one.
 
Yeah, there's no reason the Stone Mask would be in Dio's possession in Part 3.

Ergo your use of Nukesaku to dispove vampire scaling is null.
 
SolidEye234 said:
He is a vampire.
The answer is no.
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Then why are you using him to dispove Dio scaling from Straitzo?

He didn't use the Stone Mask to gain his powers, therefore you can't assume he would have the same powerset as Dio and Straitzo in my argument.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Wait, did Nukesaku even put the Stone Mask on?
Also, Vanilla Ice regened from a stabbed head, and a broken neck without blood.
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I've never stated that vampires cannot regenerate. A stab wound does not compare with a grenade frag.
 
Vanilla Ice may be a vampire, it's just inconsistent since we know that you have to use the Stone Mask, not recieve blood from a vampire. That sounds like grounds for being a zombie.

Either way, all Stone Mask's were destroyed by the Speedwagon Foundation IIRC following the end of part two.
 
The differences between a stone mask vampire and a "non" stone maks vampire?
For one, they gained their powers from an entirely different source.

Logically speaking he should be a Zombie if Dio made him into that.

So no, Nukesaku's regen doesn't dispove Dio and Straitzo scaling.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
That was for Part 3 Dio, at least.

Talking about Part 1 Dio.
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Indeed.

I'm still currently waiting for the scans of "Straitzo claims that Dio has better regen than him,"
 
Dargoo Faust said:
For one, they gained their powers from an entirely different source.

Logically speaking he should be a Zombie if Dio made him into that.

So no, Nukesaku's regen doesn't dispove Dio and Straitzo scaling.
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Is Vanilla Ice a zombie? That is the problem of Induction.
 
Let me get them. I don't own the manga myself, so it may take a while.
 
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