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DIO has his Phantom Blood abilities (Criticism)

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And honestly, this entire argument is just fruitless.

Dio and Straitzo used the exact same method to become the exact same thing.

We've established Straitzo isn't using anything to make his regen better.

We've established Straitzo thought Dio developed his powers more.

You're really trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel here to disprove this.
 
SolidEye234 said:
Major Wounds.I've never stated vampires cannot regenerate as a whole without blood.
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"Never stated that they can't regen without blood"

That's like, the first thing he does when he becomes a vampire. Also, a bullet wound is far more deep than his wound in that scan.

https://youtu.be/QINAncxTu_c
 
Yet he requires blood to regenerate major wounds.

Indeed, we've established Straitzo isn't using anything to make his regen better.

We've established Straitzo thought Dio developed his powers more.

Yet without practice Straizo has superior Regenerationn compared to Dio.

Should I use the JoJo wiki as a last resort?
 
I have to agree with Dargoo. Straizo had no blood and he regenerated from major wounds, Dio should scale with him as well.

I think this is currently how the profiles are, so really only Solid disagrees with this.
 
SolidEye234 said:
Yet he requires blood to regenerate major wounds. Indeed, we've established Straitzo isn't using anything to make his regen better.
We've established Straitzo thought Dio developed his powers more.

Yet without practice Straizo has superior Regenerationn compared to Dio.

Should I use the JoJo wiki as a last resort?
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If a fan wiki is your last resort for evidence, then I really question the integrety of your arguments.

Major wounds like dozens of gunshot wounds? Being split apart?

Yet they have the same power, from the same source.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
If a fan wiki is your last resort for evidence, then I really question the integrety of your arguments.

Major wounds like dozens of gunshot wounds? Being split apart?

Yet they have the same power, from the same source.
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Yet one can regenerate from being blown to bits whereas the other required Jonathan's blood to heal from a Sword slash.

If this debate is simply on-going.
 
SolidEye234 said:
Yet one can regenerate from being blown to bits whereas the other required Jonathan's blood to heal a Sword slash.
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"Required Jonathan's Blood"

He already has tons of feats of regening from far more greivous wounds than a sword slash, namely his gunshot wounds and the flames consuming his body. Kudos for ignoring them.
 
Kudos for ignoring Dio being impaled by the Joestar's Statue and still bearing a wound upon his second encounter.
 
SolidEye234 said:
Kudos for ignoring Dio being impaled by the Joestar's Statue and still bearing a wound upon his second encounter.
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Yet if you look in the corner, he came back from his flesh nearly being burnt off entirely.

A scar still being there is probably PIS considering the burning looked like it was doing far more damage.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Yet if you look in the corner, he came back from his flesh nearly being burnt off entirely.

A scar still being there is probably PIS considering the burning looked like it was doing far more damage.
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Can you not play the whole "PIS" excuse?

It really doesn't support your argument.
 
SolidEye234 said:
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I can play it when he's regenerating from something more grevious than the thing he has a scar from.

So yeah, it kind of does.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
I can play it when he's regenerating from something more grevious than the thing he has a scar from.
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Please elaborate on why a multitude of gunshots is griveous compared to Dio's mansion fire incident.
 
Already have.

"Yet if you look in the corner, he came back from his flesh nearly being burnt off entirely.

A scar still being there is probably PIS considering the burning looked like it was doing far more damage."
 
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"Despite Dio's Regenerationn feat, he is significantly weakened/burnt after his first encounter with Jonathan (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ) and still bears a scar during his next encounter. He elaborates on how "if the pillar had not collapsed and broken the statue..." he could have potentially died."
 
Yet he comes back from his flesh being burnt right off his body. I'd advise another look over the bottom corner of that panel you linked me.

Giving me the longer version of what you're already saying isn't helping ya.

Also, having a scar doesn't change the fact that he no longer has a gaping hole in his chest, just saying.
 
Patently, ignoring Dio's wounds isn't helping either.

He elaborates on how "if the pillar had not collapsed and broken the statue..." he could have potentially died. Why did he bothered mentioning it if it wasn't relevant.
 
SolidEye234 said:
Patently, ignoring Dio's wounds isn't helping either.
He elaborates on how "if the pillar had not collapsed and broken the statue..." he could have potentially died. Why did he bothered mentioning it if it wasn't relevant.
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He has a scar, no remaining wounds. The fact that he has a scar on his chest and not on the other places where his flesh quite literally fell off makes the enitre situation dubious.
 
I'm not knowledgable on Jojo. But saying you agree with the OP just because he wrote something long and saying you'll wait until he's debunked to reply, and then not replying doesn't contribute at all. I happened to stumble across this thread and I'll take my leave now.
 
22Easy said:
I'm not knowledgable on Jojo. But saying you agree with the OP just because he wrote something long and saying you'll wait until he's debunked to reply, and then not replying doesn't contribute at all. I happened to stumble across this thread and I'll take my leave now.
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Yeah. Don't worry, the argument in the OP can't be added via FRA vote anyways. There needs to be more arguments coming to and fro for this to even be considered, and it's currently 2-1 in terms of who's actually debating.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
He has a scar, no remaining wounds. The fact that he has a scar on his chest and not on the other places where his flesh quite literally fell off makes the enitre situation dubious.
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You're also ignoring that he need a lof of human life to heal these wounds and regain his power.

Do you have to rely on confirmation bias to get your way?

His second encounter is when Dio eventually recovered. After quoting, "How Many Breads Have You Eaten In Your Life?"
 
SolidEye234 said:
Dargoo Faust said:
He has a scar, no remaining wounds. The fact that he has a scar on his chest and not on the other places where his flesh quite literally fell off makes the enitre situation dubious.
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Do you have to rely on confirmation bias to get your way?
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Not really, just making an observation.

Wound A, which is less than Wound B, heals less when wound B heals more.

It's an outright contradiction that makes the regen issue in that particular scene PIS.

Also, we use the strongest versions of characters here; and Dio was presumably able to regen from near-vertical bisection near the end of the series much more easily than both.

Just looks like you don't want to recognize facts that is proving your statement wrong.
 
He exchanged Jonathan's blood with vampire extract. That's why he haven't completely frozen him.( 1, 2).

I really have nothing to say. This is quite enduring.

Stating that I'm the one that's ignoring the facts.
 
SolidEye234 said:
He exchanged Jonathan's blood with vampire extract. That's why he haven't completely frozen him.( 1, 2).
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Yet he still regens more often without blood than with it. The blood, as I've already went over, merely sped up the process.

Honestly, nothing about this changes his regen level. Possibily its speed at best.

I really have nothing to say. This is quite enduring.

Got to agree. Having to restate myself when you fall back on previous arguments after each one fails in sucession is stressful to me as well.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Honestly, nothing about this changes his regen level. Possibily its speed at best.
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I was referring to his speed of regen not his capabilities.

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Okay
 
SolidEye234 said:
Dargoo Faust said:
Honestly, nothing about this changes his regen level. Possibily its speed at best.
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I was referring to his speed of regen not his capabilities.
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So, you have no issues with High-Mid, just how fast he activates it?
 
Dargoo Faust said:
So, you have no issues with High-Mid, just how fast he activates it?
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Indeed.

If that's the case then I presume the scaling from Straizo aspect got me muddled due to his speed of Regenerationn compared to Dio. Not their capabilities.

This may be due to miscommunication.

I'm pretty sure I've stated that it's speed I'm against, not capabilities from my original post.
 
Ahhhh.

Yeah, I misunderstood your intent. Apologies for not reading carefully on that. There's more than enogh evidence on your side to support him not regening at the same rate, I thought you were speaking of their capacity as a whole.

Honestly, I thought that was already someone Dio had under weaknesses. Huh.
 
Dargoo Faust said:
Ahhhh.

Yeah, I misunderstood your intent. Apologies for not reading carefully on that. There's more than enogh evidence on your side to support him not regening at the same rate, I thought you were speaking of their capacity as a whole.
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My apologies for the misconception. I do apologize if I've wasted your time and maybe it's my fault for not making as clear.

This has nothing to do against his High-Mid Regenerationn. Just its speed.
 
It's alright, this took just as much of your time as mine.

Yeah, that's totally something that should be listed under weaknesses.
 
Indeed.

But mostly Part I though, as Part III (after draining Joseph) have far quicker Regenerationn speed compared to his original self.
 
So what are the TLDR conclusions here?
 
We're most likely going to upload a new thread due to a mass amount of misconception. Current conclusion is that Part I Dio's Regenerationn speed should not be scaled with Straizo has Dio is significantly slower.

The original post had not been further discussed.
 
Okay. You can place a request on my message wall if you need me to close this thread for you.
 
TLDR: He posted his argument, people said sounds good but waited for the counter-argument, it came through, nobody replied on the matter.

Way to ruin this thread, everybody ovo
 
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