Dio Brando vs Ken Kaneki

[Standuser081]

Not really, which is why he's just baseline 8-C+.

 

[Standuser081]

Isn't there a rule against putting a + unless there is a calc for it? I disagree with it, but if it's still there Dio still shouldn't have it.

I mean, Ant ok'd it.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I guess. There still is a rule. Probably will make a crt to remove it.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Ok well

The only calc for ghouls is slightly less than baseline 8-C

But that's from someone who is like

way weaker than someone who is way weaker than someone who gets one shot by someone who gets one shot by someone who gets one shot by Kaneki even when they're using their power up and Kaneki's using his base post-dragon form.

 

[TacticalNuke002]

The flash freeze is extremely quick though. Dire didn't even realise he got frozen until too late and the allies too weren't able to react on time.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Still needs to cover about 10 times dire's body length before Kaneki cuts off the Kagune.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dio actually scales to an accepted calc of SP's 1.1 Ton breathing feat.

Yes I know that sounds weird.

 

[Standuser081]

The World scales to it. Not Dio.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Dio is baseline + because he's stronger than the zombies which are almost baseline+

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Dio is baseline + because he's stronger than the zombies which are almost baseline+

kek

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dio can take hits from SP when he was explicitly weaker than his Part 1 self, tho

 

[Schnee_One]

Why Kek?

He's right

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

"baseline+"

"building+"

That's why kek

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dio's stronger than people who are inches away from 8-C+ via calcs, too.

 

[Schnee_One]

"baseline+"

"building+"

That's why kek

Yes, near baseline building+

1.1 Tons is baseline building+

So again, why Kek?

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Because "baseline+" is not an AP value.

"Building level+" is an AP value.

I'm keking at a typo, not the concept of Dio being halfway through building level

 

[Schnee_One]

That of all things was Kek worthy?

 

[DragonEmperor23]

idk what u mean

also their tiers are Top, not this building thing you're talking about idk what that is either

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

......

I sense sarcasm

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I think I'm the only one here who got Monarch's joke.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Whatever do you mean? ovo

 

[Schnee_One]

If I did get the Joke, the above still applies.

If I didn't well ****

 

[Standuser081]

I think I'm the only one here who got Monarch's joke.

I got it too. Took a bit of time tho.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

i got it the first time lol, it was what he bolded

 

[Sir_Ovens]

We all just forgetting that Dio has ranged options too? He has them eye beams.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Yeah, but speed is equalised so those would be pretty easy to dodge unless shot at point blank range. Also Kaneki can regen from them.

And if Dio's at point blank range he's already freezing so....

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dio, from what I gather from Monarch's arguments, Dio's freezing doesn't have the proper range to get Ken all at once if he grabs Ken's Kagune?

In that case, Ken takes this more than not as Dio needs to close distance to freeze Ken's main body or drain Ken of blood, whereas Ken's Kagune is far more versatile and efficient than Dio's Space Ripper Stingey Eyes.

Ken takes this mid-diff, switching votes.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

What happens if Dio cuts Ken's Kagune with his Ripper Eyes? Like what he did just before he was reduced to a head. As we saw, if Dio did that, even as a last ditch attempt, it will cut Ken in half.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I don't think the AP gap is large enough for Dio to do that easily.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Not only does Dio have the AP advantage, but the Ripper Eyes cut through Johnathan, someone on the same level as him, like it was nothing.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Dio was able to puncture through Jonathan. Never did he use the Ripper eyes to dismember people comparable to him.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

The fact that the Ripper Eyes can puncture Johnathan means that it will more than likely cut through Ken. Especially with that AP advantage.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

But Dio doesn't use them to cut through people. He uses it as a projectile beam/peircing attack. I don't think he can maintain it as a solid beam long enough to cut through anything either way.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Dio was able to puncture through Jonathan. Never did he use the Ripper eyes to dismember people comparable to him.

What do you mean? If it can shred Jona then it can dismember Jona.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

His last dying eye beams were capable of slicing. I don't doubt that he could do the same for Ken's Kagune and projectiles.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Can you link me when he used it to dismember someone?

And he doesn't "shred" Jonathan. He shoots a beam through Jonathan's body. He can't maintain it long enough for it to cut things apart due to it being a projectile/short-lived beam, nor has he done that in-character.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

When he used it on the clouds they sliced.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

There's no video of it on YouTube, but just search for the second last episode of Phantom Blood. At the part where Dio gets reduced to a head, he punctures Jonathan and slices the building.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

Yeah, but speed is equalised so those would be pretty easy to dodge unless shot at point blank range. Also Kaneki can regen from them.

Then this becomes the issue for Dio using the Space-Ripper eyes.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Yeah, Dio can just turn his head.