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Dio Brando vs Geralt of Rivia

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Also SRSE, Dio uses that and he basically wins, it's strong enough to one shot characters above Geralt, Geralt aint surviving a hit from that.
 
Chariot190 said:
Yet you gave Geralt a day of prep and ignored standard SBA to benefit Geralt yet arent giving Dio his prestablished minions that exist and are located in the very place the fight takes place, at a time they'd all be there? Yeah, no offense, but I'm calling bullshit on that, either put them on equal ground or SBA.
>Quen and Yrden exist

Well good thing Dio doesnt use magic so Magic reflection is useless and Yrden is also useless given Dio doesnt have to touch Geralt, Geralt just has to touch him regardless of how fast Dio is, and Geralt will touch Dio at some point, wether that be with a sword or through some other means. Also implies Dio falls for the trap or gets hit by it as well.
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This is Dio vs Geralt. Not Dio and his minions versus Geralt. Stop complaining about the conditions of the matchup. Dio doesn't have minions, and Geralt has his prep time. We do not automatically assume a location means other parties are involved. That would be like assuming a battle that takes place on the Cell Games Arena, involves Cell himself. His minions are not in this fight and they are fodder for Geralt to handle anyways...

Quen doesn't just reflect magic what? It reflects physical blows from enemies too. As for SRSE, Geralt can just easily dodge, since he has training to evade projectiles, and the beam travels in a very predictable straight line?
 
>Well good thing Dio doesnt use magic so Magic reflection is useless

It doesn't matter if Dio doesn't use magic, Quen reflect magic based attacks and physical attacks as well. 50% of the damage is reflected back to the opponent.

>Yrden is also useless given Dio doesnt have to touch Geralt

So what? The point is immobilize or slow him down. And even then, Yrden can damage the target when he is on the area of effect.

>Also SRSE, Dio uses that and he basically wins, it's strong enough to one shot characters above Geralt, Geralt aint surviving a hit from that.

Yes he will. Geralt will be with Quen activated and if Dio uses SRSE, half of it would be reflected back. Quen has tanked attacks that would one shot Geralt inumerous times

Nothing you said can give Dio a win con
 
Yes, Dio Vs. Geralt except Geralt has prep, prior knowledge and a blatant contradiction of SBA that allows him a wincondition he'd normally not have through outlasting. Dio Vs. Geralt? Didnt know this was actually Dio vs. the sun instead, get my point? Plus pretty sure summons or minions are allowed in verse matches if the character in question is known for using them, have access to them in the assumptions and said minions are explicitly created by the character in question.

Reading comprehension, I never said that's all it did, I said Dio didnt use magic in response to why the flash freeze would be deflected and a physical blow, and that stops what exactly? One hit going by the profile? And it mitigating some of the physical damage doesnt mean it stops the flash freeze, because it doesnt, if Dio touches Geralt he gets flash freezed, if Geralt touches Dio, he gets flash freezed, either way, even if he uses a sword, given he flash frozed Jonathan's sword and arm. So unless Geralt opts to never enter cqc with Dio, he's getting flash frozen, and while Geralt uses ranged attacks, he definitely still uses cqc so he's going to do so at some point, and when he does, best case scenario he loses his arm. Worst case, he dies.

And >dodge SRSE.

You know Dio can just like, turn his head right? And create a huge, possibly multi-km arch?
 
>It doesn't matter if Dio doesn't use magic, Quen reflect magic based attacks and physical attacks as well. 50% of the damage is reflected back to the opponent.

50% damage back onto Dio does nothing, at all actually, Dio wouldnt even be hindered if he took 100% of it back. It matters greatly if Dio doesnt ue magic because SRSE and flash freeze are now both viable options that wont be deflected or protected against. Both of which kill Geralt.

>So what? The point is immobilize or slow him down. And even then, Yrden can damage the target when he is on the area of effect.

Yeah have fun actually hitting Dio with a super obvious glowing spell that stays in one place when used. Dio's cocky not mentally challenged, he's not going to walk into such a spell. Ergo, it's effectively useless.

>Yes he will. Geralt will be with Quen activated and if Dio uses SRSE, half of it would be reflected back. Quen has tanked attacks that would one shot Geralt inumerous times

Dio can shrug off taking the full thing, half of it wouldnt even be enough to cause him to flinch. And no, not how it works. SRSE can one shot characters stronger than Geralt, not one shot Geralt as a baseline. Ignoring SRSE is a continuous attack, meaning Quen gets shattered and SRSE just keeps on going, Geralt's probably dying even if Quen is up, Quen blocks what it's been shown to block, it hasnt blocked something that can instantly rip through characters stronger than Geralt with zero issue before.

>Nothing you said can give Dio a win con

Except, you know, any and all contact with Dio, regardless of who does the contact, even with a weapon, can cripple Geralt, and Dio literally just has to look at Geralt and then sweep his head to the side to kill him if need be.
 
>Quen Sign: A simple magical sign used by witchers. When cast, it forms a protective forcefield around the casting witcher but disappears after one hit. It can also be used to create a field that absorbs damage and converts it into Regenerationn, but it's impossible to attack while keeping it still.

If the profile is wrong take it up with that, not me. Either way, has absolutely no bearing on what I said, at all, it's not stopping Flash Freeze and Quen can stop attacks that would one shot Geralt, cool, the issue with that is SRSE isnt an attack that can one shot Geralt, it's an attack that can one shot characters stronger than Geralt, big difference.
 
I also want to point out the arrows are actually making headway and while they're being blocked, they're still entering the forcefield a bit to varying degrees, which leads me to believe that SRSE is still capable of bypassing it. Best hope that's fanart.
 
Then dont use it to try justify your point, either way the profile very clearly specifies huge drawbacks to the spell. Both of which make it nearly a non-issue.
 
Highest level Quen sets opponent on fire and reflects 50% of damage

Geralt has knowledge, so he will most likely go for mindhax if he has a problem
 
Fire? You mean the thing Dio literally laughs at and isnt even the slightest bit troubled by, even going as far to set himself on fire just to show he can regen faster than fire can burn him, at his weakest. And 50% damage? You do know Dio can heal, and in most cases doesnt even need to heal, from taking the full force of his own attacks right? If Quen reflected the full thing back at Dio that wouldnt change the match at all.

No, Geralt knows Dio is a vampire, that's it, he doesnt know the specifcs, he doesnt anything beyond that, if Geralt assumes Dio is like the vamps from his verse, which honestly he should, then he wouldnt even bother with it given most of the vamps in his verse resist mindhax as well. And if Geralt has a problem, it'd be far to late to mindhax, any issues Geralt faces snowball, extremely quickly, into his death.
 
Now do tell how Geralt is going to get around defeating Dio without making any contact with him, as any contact, even through a sword, will flash freeze Geralt, and given Geralt has no reason to asume touching Dio, even with a weapon will cripple, if not lead into him dying, he's by all accounts going to do so at some point given how often he tends to go cqc, even if it's supplemented by spells.

Then add onto the fact Dio has SRSE, an attack that will' one shot and while intially easy to avoid, becomes vastly more difficult when Dio decides to use his neck and sweep the landscape with it.

Plus the majority of Geralt's spells are quite literally a none-issue to Dio, with 90% being things he can either dodge due to how blatant they are in usage and tells and simply because theyre easy to avoid, the fact most cant even do anything to damage him and he can just heal, and in some cases doesnt even need to do that given he's fine fighting while bisected and missing limbs and worst case scenario, as just a head meaning unless Geralt can straight up blow Dio to tiny bloody chunks, it's not going to do anything to hinder Dio. Geralt, sooner or later, is going to try and hit Dio somehow, that's going to snowball into his defeat as no matter how he opts to hit Dio, he's losing that arm due to flash freezing, and that weapon, and probably more than that honestly. And Dio can just use SRSE if he chooses to one shot, and SRSE can be spammed, he blocked the first one by some dumbluck? Ok, what's he gonna do about the insuing ten following shots of it? Also in the situation Dio gets ahold of him himself, Dio can just organically phase his limbs into Geralt and rip out his blood vessels or instant full body freeze. Or simply restrain the dude given Dio is about what? 4-5x stronger in lifting strength?

Geralt's only spells that can actually hinder Dio in anyway is the Axii/Somne sign, but the profile gives those spells some drawbacks as well such as any sufficient damage to those effect by it will dispel the spell, which, well any sufficient damage Geralt does to Dio isnt actually enough to kill him and will open himself to getting crosscountered and Yrden, but Yrden is so blatantly obvious on top of being static, Dio would have to purposely go and activate it. Everything else Dio just shrugs off or heals from, possibly both. Aiden seems like a useful spell at first glance till you realize Dio's constantly freezing himself solid all the time as one of his main attacks, if this was Shadow Dio or DIO it'd work due to his regen debuff but it aint, this Dio isnt slightly hindered by that.
 
Only Higher Vampires resist his Axii sign. It works against lower vampires with no problem.

The damage thing is game mechanics, honestly it's kind of mind control, he could even make Dio sleep with Somne and later when he wakes up tell him to go sunbathing with Axii lol. That's actually quite Geraltish if you ask me, and easy.
 
And given how strong Dio is, he'd likely assume the latter given Dio's physically stronger than the majority of the vamps he's ever fought.

Profile disagrees, if it's wrong take it up with the profile, not me, I'm just sticking by what the profile says and it clearly outlines several drawbacks to an assortment of his spells. I'm not asking you, in fact if you wanna go that route I'm going to have to ask for hard proof of Geralt doing something similiar mid fight against an opponent with a similiar weakness to Dio, if you can't supply that then tough luck.

Yeah, I bet he has, I also bet Geralt didnt take the path you're suggesting he would, I bet Geralt actually fought him, and unfortunately for Geralt, fighting Dio is going to kill him, unless you think Geralt is going to go the entire fight without touching Dio in any way, shape or form. Or get around the SRSE's when Dio decides to whip it out and use it in excess, which is probably what's gonna happen if Geralt decides to stay at range or spam Quen and the like, which kinda snowballs into his death given Geralt aint stopping SRSE spam, in which yes, it can be spammed going by much weaker characters like Straizo. Also Geralt's mindhax doesnt last forever so idk why you're suggesting it'll last like 6 hours, profile explicitly says it only lasts a brief while and Dio being weak to sunlight doesnt matter given the fight takes place within a huge castle, at midnight, even when the sun comes up, nothing is stopping Dio from like, not standing in front of the only place where sunlight would hit him, let alone thinking the fight would last 6+ hours, itd probably last like, a minute, maybe two at most.
 
Chariot190 said:
Now do tell how Geralt is going to get around defeating Dio without making any contact with him, as any contact, even through a sword, will flash freeze Geralt, and given Geralt has no reason to asume touching Dio, even with a weapon will cripple, if not lead into him dying, he's by all accounts going to do so at some point given how often he tends to go cqc, even if it's supplemented by spells.
Then add onto the fact Dio has SRSE, an attack that will' one shot and while intially easy to avoid, becomes vastly more difficult when Dio decides to use his neck and sweep the landscape with it.

Plus the majority of Geralt's spells are quite literally a none-issue to Dio, with 90% being things he can either dodge due to how blatant they are in usage and tells and simply because theyre easy to avoid, the fact most cant even do anything to damage him and he can just heal, and in some cases doesnt even need to do that given he's fine fighting while bisected and missing limbs and worst case scenario, as just a head meaning unless Geralt can straight up blow Dio to tiny bloody chunks, it's not going to do anything to hinder Dio. Geralt, sooner or later, is going to try and hit Dio somehow, that's going to snowball into his defeat as no matter how he opts to hit Dio, he's losing that arm due to flash freezing, and that weapon, and probably more than that honestly. And Dio can just use SRSE if he chooses to one shot, and SRSE can be spammed, he blocked the first one by some dumbluck? Ok, what's he gonna do about the insuing ten following shots of it? Also in the situation Dio gets ahold of him himself, Dio can just organically phase his limbs into Geralt and rip out his blood vessels or instant full body freeze. Or simply restrain the dude given Dio is about what? 4-5x stronger in lifting strength?

Geralt's only spells that can actually hinder Dio in anyway is the Axii/Somne sign, but the profile gives those spells some drawbacks as well such as any sufficient damage to those effect by it will dispel the spell, which, well any sufficient damage Geralt does to Dio isnt actually enough to kill him and will open himself to getting crosscountered and Yrden, but Yrden is so blatantly obvious on top of being static, Dio would have to purposely go and activate it. Everything else Dio just shrugs off or heals from, possibly both. Aiden seems like a useful spell at first glance till you realize Dio's constantly freezing himself solid all the time as one of his main attacks, if this was Shadow Dio or DIO it'd work due to his regen debuff but it aint, this Dio isnt slightly hindered by that.
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Now I'll ask again, how does Geralt get around that, all while working on the assumption that Dio is similiar to the vamps he's fought before. If anything his prior info is more likely to work against him then actually help him. Things that he thinks may work will not and things he wont expect will happen, like being frozen solid if he so much as touches Dio, or the whole sneak attack beam eyes. Or the vastly surperior regen that's actually applicable in a fight and being not hindered by things that would incap the vamps that he knows.
 
Two. First time he used it he used it as a last resort (mostly because he had never used it before), the second time he lead with it and essentially killed his opponent. Then Part 1 ends.

He can spam if he so chooses, we know this for a fact, Straizo can, and Straizo, as stated by himself, is weaker than Dio and learned SRSE from mimicking Dio.
 
Essentially, if Dio is up against the wall and losing, he'll use it.

If Geralt stays out of melee range, he'll use it.

If Dio thinks Geralt is a issue, he'll use it.

If Dio thinks Geralt is to much of a hassle to fight and should avoid fighting him, he'll use it.

And then there's the chance that Dio may just use it because it's optimal or as a lead.
 
ThaTSayMarine said:
>"How many times did he use it"
>"Two"

>"He can spam if he chooses
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Yes, the only reason he only got to use it twice is because he killed the main character with it the second time, ending the story for 50+ years. Context is key, unless you're purposely being ignorant?
 
Maybe if you ignore context and why he only got to use it twice.

The first time he used it was because it was the first time he ever got to actually use it.

The second time is because he killed the main character with it.

There is no third time because his arch enemy was killed by it, the fight was over and he was sealed away for over 100 years minutes after using it the second time. By the time he comes back, his vampiric powers are useless because Stands are a thing and he can stop time now.

If we look at other vampires like Straizo, who's going out of his way to mimick Dio, even saying he learned SRSE from Dio using it, he used it like 3-4 times within a minute or two of each other.
 
Oh ok, so being ignorant and ignoring context it is then, gotcha. Could've just said as much instead of wasting our time.

Although it's odd, if we're going to use Dio's most up to date mentality, it's technically his lead, a lead he uses to avoid fighting and to kill his enemies without any danger. But I assume you just ignored the situations in where Dio uses it.

>Not everyone has the same mentality

Straizo is literally basing how to use his powers off of Dio dude. He even says immediatly after using it that he learned that tech by watching Dio. And you're right, Dio is actually more likely to use it in character than him, Dio's actually more likely to not fight at all and have others fight for him. If this match was truly set in character and at Dio's castle, the first thing Dio would do is summon a horde of enemies to overwhelm Geralt while he vanishes or finishes him off from safety.
 
Also idk why this is even an argument.

You think if Geralt manages to avoid the first SRSE Dio is just gonna go oh well the first failed, lets never use it agai. No, he'd just use it again given there's no drawback to doing so and he's able to use it in rapid succesion.
 
You're being like i've never even seen part 1 of jojo, dio even when he used it wasn't able to kill jonathan both times he did it (well the second time he fatally injured him) and he only used it as a last resort or unexpected attack

I mean even IF dio uses it, it isn't likely to hit geralt due to how agile and good at dodging geralt at pretty much everything

Even if it hits geralt it isn't likely to finish geralt off due to que being active or geralts passive regen taking hold after the attack


That pretty much leaves the freezing part the most likely wincon for dio
 
I will debunk everything Chariot wrote this week. You don't need to be a genius to know that he overestimated some things and exaggerated others. I've read half of Phantom Blood yesterday and I already saw things that contradicts everything he said. Just wait.
 
No, but I am being like you're being deliberatly blind to context, circumstances or even in character traits. Dio never used it prior to the first time he used it because he literally invented it on the spot, the move, quite literally, did not exist prior to that point. After it came into existence, the dude just lead with it right away.

The second time he just went k and lead with it because Dio, while cocky, isnt stupid, if he has a move that can finish an opponent he'll use that move. That's kinda his whole thing actually, he uses what's best suited to fight his opponents and if he doesnt have anything, he invents something, in fact the very reason why Flash Freeze exists in the first place is because he learned of hamon and developed a technique, that being the flash freeze, to counter his opponents and kill them. The anime left that part out but Dio uses what he has best suited to fight, if flash freeze is his best option, he'll spam the shit out of it as shown with Jonathan and Will, if SRSE is his best option, he'll use it with no hesitation, as he himself has shown against Jonathan the second time he encountered him. The very existence of SRSE and flash freeze is a testament to this, both exist because he created them, one on the spot, to fight his opponents and kill them with the least amount of issues.

If? If we're to assume Dio has SRSE in this fight, then that if is a will, we know he uses it to kill opponents, to prevent them from being a threat and even as a lead. Geralt being agile doesnt matter, given Dio can just sweep his head to the side and tag him, or pivot his head, or do one of many basic head motions to catch him with it.

Quen isnt gonna help much, you linked Quen blocking a small building explosion, while SRSE can rip through characters stronger than Geralt like butter. False equilavent. And Quen isnt gonna stop multiple SRSE if Dio opts that as the best action to use. Also do note Quen has drawbacks, such as it's dispersal or the immobility of it. Both things Dio can easily take advantage of.
 
M3X said:
I will debunk everything Chariot wrote this week. You don't need to be a genius to know that he overestimated some things and exaggerated others. I've read half of Phantom Blood yesterday and I already saw things that contradicts everything he said. Just wait.
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>overestimated sme things.

Do tell, the flash freeze? I have several panels showing exactly that, such as him freezing Jonathan's arms and his sword on contact, Dio flash freezing an entire body solid on contact, Dio using SRSE to straight up kill characters stronger than Geralt, Dio fighting with masive bodily damage like it's nothing, nothing Ive said isnt something Dio hasnt literally done. So do tell what's being exaggerated here?
 
Dude stop with this wall of text to answer such a small thing. Just wait for my argument. The thing will be big
 
I don't have time to wait for your argument, because something tells me it's gonna be riddled with complete ignorance of the subject. Instead of beating around the bush and wasting time just say exactly what I'm overestimating or exaggerating so I can post the evidence.
 
I'm not annoyed by disagreement, I'm annoyed that M3X can't simply say what the issue is instead of wasting all our time. How difficult is to simply say what the issue is? The answer is not at all.
 
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