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Currently Dimentio is listed as "At least 4-A, possibly Low 2-C" for "easily killing Mario, Peach, and Bowser" and "being hinted to be the creator of the Dark Prognosticus"
First of all, Mario and Co. never died when Dimentio supposedly "killed" them. Mario and Luigi find out they're not actually dead when they talk to Queen Jaydes. This is rather explicit confirmation. Luigi also appears after his fight with Dimentio where Dimentio used his power on both of them in an apparent suicide move but this is revealed to just have been a way to plant a Floro Sprout in his subconscious.
So now that we've established no one actually died or was killed, the reasoning should be removed entirely. "At least" shouldn't be there. He should just scale from the Base cast. Why? Because Dimentio never physically overpowers any of them throughout the game. He uses his powers to send them places and control others and manipulates people to fight for him because he admittedly couldn't do it himself. And the one move he does use that supposedly "kills"? You can tank it in-game
So Dimentio mainly uses hax and cheap tactics. He catches people off-guard, mind controls them, and manipulates. None of these are good examples for scaling. The only physical fights we see him in are ones where the heroes can definitely harm him, and while perhaps he was testing them at first, by the end of the game they clearly grew stronger as Mimi and O'Chunks had. Dimentio even acknowledges Luigi's strength after previously before the fight saying he looked like a pushover and stating he'd end their games due to refusing him and wasting his time. He was serious here. And later on after acknowledging Luigi's power he specifically uses Luigi for his power to add to the Chaos Heart as well as his own, again acknowledging Luigi's strength as formidable and worth utilizing. I doubt we're gonna argue Luigi is far above the other Heroes in terms of power.
So based on physicals he's not far above the cast at all and his tactics throughout the game imply he wasn't far above them either. He mostly used hax and it wasn't even lethal for any of the characters. His justification should be removed entirely and he should just scale to base cast.
Also, because of this, the "possibly Low 2-C" should be removed as base cast notably aren't even close to Tier 2. It's also just a headcanon. But even if it's true there's clearly an issue with a Low 2-C character getting their ass handed to them by a character 2 tiers below them and never actually being able to kill them even while serious and wanting to end their game due to wasting his time.
The current ratings seem to take things out of context to support it's justifications and so we definitely have to fix that.
Bleck should also be downgraded to just scaling above the cast at 4-A, as his feat is different in the Japanese version, referring to only the country.
Agree: 11 (@Eficiente @RethPo @Maverick_Zero_X @DannyF97 @Apex_PredatorX @Idk556570 @XXKINGXX69 @Seol404 @The_Almighty_Wholesome @Mephistus @ZespeonGalaxy )
Disagree: 1 ( @y3p_owo )
First of all, Mario and Co. never died when Dimentio supposedly "killed" them. Mario and Luigi find out they're not actually dead when they talk to Queen Jaydes. This is rather explicit confirmation. Luigi also appears after his fight with Dimentio where Dimentio used his power on both of them in an apparent suicide move but this is revealed to just have been a way to plant a Floro Sprout in his subconscious.
So now that we've established no one actually died or was killed, the reasoning should be removed entirely. "At least" shouldn't be there. He should just scale from the Base cast. Why? Because Dimentio never physically overpowers any of them throughout the game. He uses his powers to send them places and control others and manipulates people to fight for him because he admittedly couldn't do it himself. And the one move he does use that supposedly "kills"? You can tank it in-game
So Dimentio mainly uses hax and cheap tactics. He catches people off-guard, mind controls them, and manipulates. None of these are good examples for scaling. The only physical fights we see him in are ones where the heroes can definitely harm him, and while perhaps he was testing them at first, by the end of the game they clearly grew stronger as Mimi and O'Chunks had. Dimentio even acknowledges Luigi's strength after previously before the fight saying he looked like a pushover and stating he'd end their games due to refusing him and wasting his time. He was serious here. And later on after acknowledging Luigi's power he specifically uses Luigi for his power to add to the Chaos Heart as well as his own, again acknowledging Luigi's strength as formidable and worth utilizing. I doubt we're gonna argue Luigi is far above the other Heroes in terms of power.
So based on physicals he's not far above the cast at all and his tactics throughout the game imply he wasn't far above them either. He mostly used hax and it wasn't even lethal for any of the characters. His justification should be removed entirely and he should just scale to base cast.
Also, because of this, the "possibly Low 2-C" should be removed as base cast notably aren't even close to Tier 2. It's also just a headcanon. But even if it's true there's clearly an issue with a Low 2-C character getting their ass handed to them by a character 2 tiers below them and never actually being able to kill them even while serious and wanting to end their game due to wasting his time.
The current ratings seem to take things out of context to support it's justifications and so we definitely have to fix that.
Bleck should also be downgraded to just scaling above the cast at 4-A, as his feat is different in the Japanese version, referring to only the country.
Agree: 11 (@Eficiente @RethPo @Maverick_Zero_X @DannyF97 @Apex_PredatorX @Idk556570 @XXKINGXX69 @Seol404 @The_Almighty_Wholesome @Mephistus @ZespeonGalaxy )
Disagree: 1 ( @y3p_owo )
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