Dilated Time Speed Calcs

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

There is a problem about "dilated time" speed calcs. Meaning to get a character's speed from his slow-motion perception.

If it comes to slow-motion perception, then it's easy, you just divide the actual speed and the speed in the character's perception and multiply by the speed he's going in his slow-motion perception. For example he's jogging then 3.71 m/s, he's running then maybe 5-7.7 m/s.

The problem is when the character is viewing everything as completely frozen, how do we calc the dilated time? For me, I assume "frozen" things only move 1 mm, then calc the dilated time, but the other calc group members seem to disagree. It would be better if there is some "standard method" or formula to calculate thses "frozen" feats.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Can someone move this to the staff discussion board? I have a bad habit of posting everything in content revision.

 

[Kaltias]

For example, I use the method explained here.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

That's one possible method.

I will invite all the calc group members and DontTalkDT. Should we make this calc group members only? (Kaltias is still welcome to post here, he could have become a calc group member should he want to)

 

[Kaltias]

Your choice if this should be calc group or staff, for me it's indifferent.

Should I highlight this?

 

[Kepekley23]

We generally use the speed of a snail (0.0001m/s) as an approximation to the word "frozen" in fiction, since it's difficult to know if they're just painfully, painfully slow or really suspended.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yes, probably highlight this.

 

[Kepekley23]

Shouldn't this be in the Calc Group board?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Well, yeh, probably. But Antvasima told me to put it in the staff board.

 

[Thebluedash]

I think Kaltias' method works fine.

 

[Antoniofer]

Not sure when everything is frozen, but if we use a snail speed, it vary from 0.000023 to 0.013 m/s, with an average of 4.9 mm/s

When everything is slowed down, just look for something of known speed and compared with the speed is slowed time, then multiply it (or divide) to the human reaction speed (4 to 10 Hz).

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Thing is, some calc group members (namely Antoniofer) disagree with using 1 mm.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

@Antoniofer The problem is, what if everything is frozen?

 

[Antoniofer]

Thing is, some calc group members (namely Antoniofer) disagree with using 1 mm.

I disagreed with using the distance of 1 mm (that cames from nowhere), apparently is used 1 mm/s when everything is frozen, a speed unit, and it cames to comparing to a snail, so that is something. Also, in your calc everything weren't entirely frozen, some characters, attacks and Cap's shield were moving, slow, but not as slow as a snail.

 

[Liger686]

I think Kaltias' method is fine.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

1 mm is the standard for these things on the OBD.

I explained how Cap's shield isn't moving. But let's not derail this thread.

 

[Antvasima]

If you agree about a standard, it is probably good to write it down in one of the calculation instructions pages linked to in the front page. The question is which one that would be most appropriate.

 

[Golden_Void]

Same about Kal's method. Though in real life time appears to slow to a crawl/stop as you approach/hit light speed.


Though in fiction it might be treated differently when there's simply a vast speed difference.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I've actually thought about this issue before. Can't believe I never thought of using a snail.

I can agree with Kal's suggestion. However snails are still visibly moving if you look closely enough imo.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

So everyone seems to agree with using a snail.

However, we have to decide what value of a snail should we use. Kaltias suggests 0.001 m/s, Kepekley23 suggests 0.0001 m/s and Antoniofer suggests 0.0049 m/s.

Most people seem to agree with Kaltias though.

 

[Kepekley23]

Correct value is 0.001. My bad.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Most people seem to agree with 0.001, and it's also in the range of what Antoniofer listed (0.000023 to 0.013 m/s).

 

[Antvasima]

So, where should this value be listed specifically?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Idk. Is it worth making a whole new page for "dilated time calcs"?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose, but it depends on if there is enough material to add to it.

 

[Golden_Void]

I don't think so, it's as simple as creating a ratio between something fast and slow. It could be added as a footnote to a pre-existing page.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. One of our more general calculation instruction pages perhaps?

 

[Golden_Void]

Yeah that should be fine.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Could you or some other calc group member check for a good page and spot to place it in?

 

[Antvasima]

Perhaps somebody could ask all of the other calc group members to give input here?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

I'd prefer the median of snail speed. It's based on a real figure rather than one pulled to sound small.

 

[Antvasima]

That seems fine to me as well, but we still have to decide the practical issue of where to place the new instruction.

 

[Kepekley23]

I agree with 0.001

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

I agree with 0.001.

 

[Executor_N0]

I also agree.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I also agree with Kals method, I think using a snail's speed is a solid low ball.

Where does 1 mm come from?

 

[Kaltias]

http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/garden_snail

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, so in which of the calculation instruction pages should this information be placed, and is any of you willing to handle it?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I am willing to handle it, if someone tells me which calculatinstruction page.

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask DontTalk for input.