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Digimon CRT: 1-A Edition

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Like the thread title said, this is about upgrading the verse to 1-A.

Cyber Sleuth revealed a lot of information and not all of it has been taken into account yet.

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The original Japanese version of the game makes the cosmology a lot larger, with Suedou explicitly calling the Eaters' processing power as "hyper dimensional", not merely "higher dimensional" like the English translation said. In fact, he explicitly differentiates between the two.

"Choujigen" (超次元) is explicitly used by Suedou (the same word used to "Hyperdimension Neptunia's" Japanese title, "Choujigen Game Neptune").

Taking this word into account, that means we need to look back at Suedou's explanations about how the Eaters' dimension works.



In the tail-end of this clip, Suedou talks about how the Eaters have no concept of time and how they have an unlimited capacity for information. He also goes on about how the Eaters' capacity for information/their network is beyond everyone's ability to comprehend.

Why does this matter?

Information in the Digital World is the same as matter in the Human World. And we already know that the Digital World is a higher dimension compared to the Human World. And, in turn, Yggdrasil's home dimension, the Kernel, is above even the Digital World as it sits above Infinity Mountain.



More context. In here, Suedou doubles down on the Eaters' unlimited capacity for information, and how they can send that information to their home dimension without much problem. Also worth noting that the Eaters have completely taken over Yggdrasil at this point; the Host Computer of the Digital World can't do much against the Eaters and is left vastly weakened as the Mother Eater takes over Yggdrasil's functions.

Suedou also goes on about how there seems to be a "Great Will" from beyond the Digital World, similar to Shin Megami Tensei. What the "Great Will" is is that it's a vast system of higher worlds.



Yes, I know this is in English and the localization team for Cyber Sleuth didn't do the best job at properly translating the game, but this is just to provide some context about what Suedou means about the "Great Will" (called the "Great Intent" in the translation for some reason).


https://imgur.com/a/dCj6q

Now, moving on to another game. In Digimon World Re:Digitize Decode, you go through Infinity Mountain and while in-game you go through 100 floors, it's heavily implied that Infinity Mountain stretches up to far beyond even that.

The higher you go up through Infinity Mountain, the higher the dimensionality of the "fruit" you find. For example, in the lower floors, you get 3-D Fruit. Then 6-D Fruit. In the highest floors available in the game, you get the 24-D Fruit. Each floor is a higher infinity than the previous one. And if you just go into Infinity Mountain without a guide, you just end up wandering it forever (similar to the Schwarzwelt in Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey in that regard). Without a guide, those wandering Infinity Mountain may find themselves looping back endlessly without any hope of an exit.



Also, on the 90th Floor of Infinity Mountain, while Chaosdramon does say that you are reaching the end, when you reach the 100th Floor and fight Yggdrasil, you fight an avatar of Yggdrasil (stronger than the one you fought on the 50th Floor). The problem with this is if the 100th Floor truly is the Kernel, then you would have fought the actual Yggdrasil, not Yggdrasil 7D6. Whether this means this isn't the Kernel or it is and Yggdrasil didn't find you a threat to directly deal with is left up in the air.

Although...



After defeating Yggdrasil 7D6, Alphamon says that they hope to meet the main character again during a "time of true peace".

Why is this important? Because in Digimon Story: Hacker's Memory, Craniummon tells you that the Kernel is Yggdrasil's place of rest during times of peace in the Digital World.


But yeah, this segue into Infinity Mountain/the Kernel is to highlight how even a higher world like it is still nothing compared to the hyperdimension that the Eaters reside in.

Those that would scale to this are the Mother Eater (of course) and the Cyber Sleuth versions of Alphamon and Omegamon, as well as Aiba's Digimon partner, Yuuko's Gaioumon, and Arata's Diablomon because they end up defeating the Mother Eater at the end after Suedou takes control of it.

Potentially Yggdrasil as well, which would also mean Ogudomon X and Jesmon GX also potentially scales.
 
using Hyperdimensional is cringe
but i'll agree since it's accepted that the world of eaters is above the the entire digital world
 
Yeah, but nothing that really suggests 1-A. Just saying that something is a "Higher-World" isn't really enough for 1-A.
 
Disagree, as previously stated, there is nothing to suggest that it refers to 1-A at all.
 
There is nothing 1-A here.

All you've established is that the Eaters are above Yggdrasil and that Yggdrasil is above Infinity Mountain. And this is 1-B at best, since you've failed to prove that Infinity Mountain contains infinite floors. Simply having info contradicting it ending at 100 floors doesn't make it infinite by itself. And so the Eaters being above Yggdrasil, even by the amount you claim they do, means they're just some level of 1-B above 24D.

Even then, you'd need proof of the dimensions here being actually legitimate. A throwaway statement of higher dimensions isn't enough on its own.

And even then, even if Infinity Mountain was High 1-B, I doubt this would be 1-A. Being outside the comprehension and scope of a High 1-B being doesn't mean you exist on a level that's higher than simple, regular dimensional jumps.
 
Pretty sure Hyperdimension is not the only reason in this thread
It isn't.

Hyperdimension is just one of the reasons.

Suedou also calls the Eaters' dimension(s) as something that they should never visit because they can't comprehend it and "beyond [their] capacity to even imagine."

Yggdrasil's calculations also can't see the Eaters' dimension(s); ergo, beyond all the limits of the Digital World.

And the Digital World itself is already a layered world, each layer being greater than the last. This is best seen in Digimon Adventure's cosmology map (which is what Cyber Sleuth uses as its map as well). Infinity Mountain is above even the Digital World as a whole. And on top of that is the Kernel.

And Infinity Mountain is something that you can't navigate without the threat of getting lost forever due to "looping" forever if you're not careful.

The Eaters' dimension is above even that.

MetalSeadramon X also states that swimming through Infinity Mountain is like swimming through hyperspace.



There is nothing 1-A here.

All you've established is that the Eaters are above Yggdrasil and that Yggdrasil is above Infinity Mountain. And this is 1-B at best, since you've failed to prove that Infinity Mountain contains infinite floors. Simply having info contradicting it ending at 100 floors doesn't make it infinite by itself. And so the Eaters being above Yggdrasil, even by the amount you claim they do, means they're just some level of 1-B above 24D.

Even then, you'd need proof of the dimensions here being actually legitimate. A throwaway statement of higher dimensions isn't enough on its own.

And even then, even if Infinity Mountain was High 1-B, I doubt this would be 1-A. Being outside the comprehension and scope of a High 1-B being doesn't mean you exist on a level that's higher than simple, regular dimensional jumps.
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How does any of this suggest 1-A? 1-A isn't simply transcending High 1-B structures or anything of the sort, it's transcending the concept of dimensions and shit like that all together. At best, this is Low 1-A.
 
None of what you said regarding the Eaters make them 1-A. This merely means that they're beyond the Digital World to some degree. This degree not being enough to justify 1-A even if High 1-B was legit. All this means is that they transcend a High 1-B structure, not the concept of dimensions themselves. And even then, it seems that beings from the Digital World scale to Eaters anyway, including Yggdrasil. Which makes the idea of them being 1-A very doubtful.


It being 'boundless' does not mean it has infinite floors. If the game explicitly states that it has 100 floors, you need statements actually saying that there are more floors than this. The structure can be considered boundless simply due to being 4-D. Or each floor, even. Hell I have a verse with the exact same thing. A structure that is definitively infinite in size, but only has 10 floors. The boundlessness can just mean the structure, in general, is infinite, not the floors.

Also I'd add that given how the dimensions do not match up with the number of floors exactly (24D vs 100 floors), assuming that the dimensions go up infinitely alongside the floors becomes an assumption. One too big to be used as a solid proof for High 1-B.
 
I can at most see 1-B from this. 1-A has essentially no solid basis here.
 
It is currently impossible to verify it's existence, but it is boundless and it's existence in the Digital World is undeniable.

I know "fiction is whack" but am I the only one to find this statement to be ridiculously contradictory?

Either way Digimon is "technically" a 1-B verse via the gods (albeit they are featless), if anything this is just stronger jurisdiction for a solid 1-B rating.
 
When people make threads without your knowledge.....We have evidence for High 1-B....this wasn't it....This is also evidence we've had for years, minus some Decode odds and ends (even though we knew about Infinity Mountain). There is a reason Digimon wasn't High 1-B or 1-A for years. We've only recently found evidence for High 1-B that we feel is legitimately solid...

Digimon's higher dimensions are accepted as legitimate (These Higher Dimensions follow the same logic as the others). But even so this is at most 1-B. But I'd rather people not try and upgrade Digimon right now....The High 1-B thread will come at a much later date. There we will handle the evidence as well as scaling in more detail.

Regardless, giving a big "NO" to this.
 
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None of what you said regarding the Eaters make them 1-A. This merely means that they're beyond the Digital World to some degree. This degree not being enough to justify 1-A even if High 1-B was legit. All this means is that they transcend a High 1-B structure, not the concept of dimensions themselves. And even then, it seems that beings from the Digital World scale to Eaters anyway, including Yggdrasil. Which makes the idea of them being 1-A very doubtful.


It being 'boundless' does not mean it has infinite floors. If the game explicitly states that it has 100 floors, you need statements actually saying that there are more floors than this. The structure can be considered boundless simply due to being 4-D. Or each floor, even. Hell I have a verse with the exact same thing. A structure that is definitively infinite in size, but only has 10 floors. The boundlessness can just mean the structure, in general, is infinite, not the floors.

Also I'd add that given how the dimensions do not match up with the number of floors exactly (24D vs 100 floors), assuming that the dimensions go up infinitely alongside the floors becomes an assumption. One too big to be used as a solid proof for High 1-B.
They partially scale at best, which doesn't take anything away.

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Habu here makes an analogy. To the Digimon (Alphamon in this case), the Digital World is "3D" to them, much like how the Human World is 3D to humans. The Eaters' dimension, on the other hand, is like 4D or even higher to the Digimon.

And it's not just this one higher dimension that the Eaters occupy.



Suedou confirms that the Eaters occupy even higher dimensions and that they're all part of some massive network. Those dimensions are far beyond human understanding, and even far beyond Yggdrasil's understanding because its calculations couldn't even properly record the Eaters.

The Eaters having an unlimited capacity for information (information = matter in the Digital World) while being akin to just red blood cells from said network of higher worlds makes this even more damning.

Also, are you really going to play semantics regarding Infinity Mountain and the word "boundless"? Let me help you with that.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/boundless


Also, so what if the number on the fruits don't match the floor? Infinity Mountain is boundless and goes on beyond just a mere 100 floors anyway.

Seadramon X also describes swimming in Infinity Mountain as if it was like "swimming in hyperspace".

Infinity Mountain is completely disconnected from the Digital World itself. No matter how much time passes in Infinity Mountain, no time at all passes in the Digital World when the player character returns.

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This is just from the first "floor" itself. Each floor are independent from each other and is a higher infinity from the last.

The Infinity Cauldron from Next 0rder makes it even more explicit that the dimensions are layered because... Each "floor" is called "Layer" instead.
 
When people make threads without your knowledge.....We have evidence for High 1-B....this wasn't it....This is also evidence we've had for years, minus some Decode odds and ends (even though we knew about Infinity Mountain). There is a reason Digimon wasn't High 1-B or 1-A for years. We've only recently found evidence for High 1-B that we feel is legitimately solid...

Digimon's higher dimensions are accepted as legitimate (These Higher Dimensions follow the same logic as the others). But even so this is at most 1-B. But I'd rather people not try and upgrade Digimon right now....The High 1-B thread will come at a much later date. There we will handle the evidence as well as scaling in more detail.

Regardless, giving a big "NO" to this.
Please read this instead of continuing to argue in an argument that will become null and void later
 
Others already said it, but there's nothing 1-A.

Hyperdimension is used for higher dimensional stuff, and your scans say that they are from higher dimensions, not much upgrade material here.

Even the proof of High 1-B seems to rely on pretty vague statements here.
 
Next time, if you're gonna make a massive Digimon revision. At least contact me or Executor N0 before you do so. Making these sudden threads does more harm than good. Especially when you would hope the Digimon Supporters at least know what you're doing. However, we were all completely blindsided by a thread we had no idea would be getting posted with evidence we had no idea would be used in a way we weren't going to use it.

As I've said, we have evidence for a High 1-B upgrade, some people from this site have seen it. But, Infinity Mountain is irrelevant to this, Cyber Sleuth's stuff merely gave us the knowledge that Digimon has legitimate higher dimensions. But that alone is no grounds for an upgrade. Especially for 1-A...

We don't use the "Dimensional Fruits/Reality" items because they are quite odd as they are capacity items and overall pretty dubious to use. All this information here has been used alongside other scans to put Digimon where it is now. This thread basically told us stuff we already know and using this as grounds for a 1-A upgrade only makes things harder for us in the long run.

We have a Discussion Thread for Digimon. You got questions? Ask them here or on my message wall. This goes for literally anyone here. https://vsbattles.com/threads/digimon-discusion-thread-re-forumtize.107571/

Anyway, can I close this?
 
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