Digimon Adventure Stuff.....

[Dragonmasterxyz]

So this is something that is really bothering me. After a debate with some people about the power of Digimon Adventure Characters on a site I will not mention. Some issues and actually pretty decent arguement were made. It was a total mess and it honestly made me feel like shit. But oh well. So let's get started.

1) Apocalymon's Black Hole.

I'm pretty sure Reppu addressed this once before. But I can't remember, what is the reason we do not accept this a flowery wording?

2) Vademon's Dimension

This is the big one. In an image Koichi brought up. Are we "hiding an outlier" by accepting this as a Solar System low-end? Here is the image. https://prnt.sc/fpsmmj

All in all are these all outliers?

That is all.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

1) Because the galaxy was described in a more matter of the fact way. The other galaxy feat was obviously flowery language (as well as an outlier) but the other statement should be fine.

2) I honestly don't think Galaxy level Adventure Ultimates is an outlier, especially given how WarGreymon may very well be as high as 3-A, considering the Dark Masters apparently defeated the Sovereigns. I think 4-B, possibly higher is fine for now.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

1) Wait there were two? What were they again?

2) But wouldn't that also be an outlier?

 

[Executor_N0]

Yes, there are two. The first is a description of the evolution of Greymon where it is said that the data that formed the evolution rivaled the whole galaxy. Anyway, only a part of the data in question went to the Greymon (At most this could be a feat for the Infermon since he literally destroyed the process of evolution from Greymon to Metal Greymon and Kabuterimon to Altur Kabuterimon).

Besides, that was exactly what happened. When Nanomon broke the Firewall system he allowed the release of Apocalymon that literally formed a Black Hole, this black hole was running on the Datamon computer system that integrated into the Etemon Dark Network system and started sucking everything, according to The Databook the Etemon was sucked into this "other world" and absorbed its energy to return to the Digital World.

The only questioning about this feat would be if it absorbed something give you the power of the source of energy, in some forums this is not accepted, but I do not know if this is not acceptable either.

On the second point, so that it is, the two analyzes can be taken. It has the novel that adimite the size of a solar system, still indeterminate, and in that scene of the anime appears to be the size of a galaxy. I see no problem in relying on the size presented in Novel and consider this as a newer version, moreover as it is consistent with the Large Star feats we have. But we can also choose the Galaxy size to become consistent with the Megas / Ultimates feats we have.

Ok, let's now analyze all the feats of this level we have in the anime and also some of the databooks to see everything we have.

• Apocalymon and Dark Masters, first appearance, and the Four Holy Beasts: Apocalymon almost destroyed the Digital World with his presence, the Four Holy Beasts emerged and defeated the Dark Masters and Apocalymon.
• Bakemon Black Hole: According to the Digimon Reference Book it is said that within Bakemon's clothing lies its true form whose shadow we see is actually a black hole. In the game Digimon Jintrix is said directly that the inner part of bakemon is a black hole and finally in one of the card of the Battle Terminal can be seen inside the body of the Bakemon and is perceivable something that resembles a black hole.
• Dark Masters, returning after their defeat: After a long time after being defeated by the Four Holy Beasts the Dark Masters come back to life and again confront the Four Holy Beasts. This time the Dark Masters beat the Four Holy Beasts and then they are sealed.
• Apocalymon: After being released from Wall of Fire Apocalymon resurfaces and creates a black hole in milliseconds. This black hole was sent to the Nanomon system and modified the Dark Network that sucked Etemon, Datamon and other Digimon.
• Chaos Etemon: The energy contained in Chaos Dark Spirits was enough to create black holes.
• Gerbemon: Gerbemon's garbage can contains a powerful Black Hole
• Vademon and Altur Kabuterimon: Vademon created a dimension containing a solar system surrounded by stars / a galaxy. Altur Kabuterimon was able to destroy Vademon and thus destroyed that dimension / destroy Vademon that held the dimension (This was ambiguous, but the end result is the same).
• The Dark Masters remodeled the Digital World using their powers and created the Spiral Mountain.
• Metal Etemon: After the power of the black hole collapsed into Chaos Etemon he was sucked into another dimension where he stayed inside the Black Hole for a long time being destroyed and regenerating in an infinite cycle. After a long time Chaos Etemon regains control and fully absorbs the power contained in that world thus turning Metal Etemon.
• Apocalymon: Apocalymon returns and again threatens to destroy everything that exists to create a new world. Its main body is destroyed by the chosen children and then using the power left in the Darkness Zone was created a Big Bang that would destroy the whole world. The power of the 8 Digiveices nullified the explosion and used their power to rebuild the Digital World.
• Wendimon: Wendimon creates a pocket dimension containing a Sun.
• BelialVandemon: Using his power of darkness he would merge the Digital World and the Real World to become the ruler of both. It took the power of Chosen Children from all over the world to contain their evil power.

Finally we have the feats of Dark Super Starmon that are located in Tier 4 (I still have to make a profile for him e.e). Also, I know that the feats of Bakemon and Gerbemon, and those who destroyed them, are not qualified, but by all means I think it is good to mention them.

 

[Zeromaru_X]

Dunno if you're taking this already into account but... there is the destruction of the world in the track "Before the World ends", of the special CD Drama from the 15th anniversary of the anime.

There are mentions of something that was "not even a tornado" that sucked a river into the sky, a "rift in space-time" that appeared out of nowhere and more stuff like that. For what it seems, all of that happened because of Apocalymon.

 

[Executor_N0]

How much I look at this more I see that everything in Adventure was caused by a villain you only see in the last episodes e.e (Or Even worse if we consider that the cause of all this was Zeed Millenniummon that only appeared in one game e.e)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

How many of these can be proven to be real black holes? Playing Devil's Advocate here, as I'm (cough) all for tier 4 Digimon.

 

[Zeromaru_X]

-Apocalymon: No way to really prove it beyond novel statements. -Bakemon: Same, beyond lore statements. -Dark Super Starmon: It was born from NASA data about black holes, so, real ones here.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Fair enough for that one.

 

[Executor_N0]

As I see it, they actually absorb everything around them, cause a distortion in space-time around them and annihilate what they enter into infinity. At least those of Apocalymon / Chaos Etemon and Gerbemon, Dezipmon also focus on this, mainly because the character's focus is to compress matter to the maximum and nothing better for it than a black hole representing the source of the character's power

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

How many of these can be proven to be real black holes? Playing Devil's Advocate here, as I'm (cough) all for tier 4 Digimon.

That took a lot to say that didn't it. ovo

 

[Machspyder]

Apocalymon also already has feats far above "galaxy" level so him having that black hole feat isn't really outrageous or an outlier.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Well my questions were answered. Also I will ask this.

Should we separate Hackmon and Jesmon's file to stay consistent to the Royal Knight files?

Basically, we'd make a separate Hackmon file and lnk Jesmon's file to it.

Or should I put stats for the Guilmon line on the Gallantmon page to save space?

Basicaly,

Should Royal Knights have stats for their previous evos or not?

 

[Executor_N0]

I think it's best to separate. Royal Knights already have many keys due to different phases that they had so it is better to make a profile of their own by way of doubts.

On the skills, I do not see why not, they preserve themselves for all the Digimon, I see no reason not to serve them as well. However some are easier to know evolutionary line (as Alphamon we know that shares the evolutionary line of Gardemon and DORUGreymon or Jesmon that has its own evolutionary chain) while others have evolutionary lines well unknown (Dynasmon evolved from a Silphymon) and Finally there are those who do not even know the definitive evolutionary line yet (Like Gankoomon). In my opinion we can use those that we are sure of the evolutionary line.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Doesn't Craniamon come from the Andromon line? Many places I see cite Craniamon as an evolution of either Andromon or HiAndromon.

 

[Executor_N0]

HiAndromon is from Digimon Masters. Andromon is from Hypercolosseum.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

To list them all.

Omegamon= WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon

Alphamon= DoruGreymon and Grademon

Jesmon= SaviorHackmon

Dynasmon= Silphymon or maybe Mystimon

Crusadermon= Knightmon

Examon= Breakdramon and Slayerdramon

Gankoomon= Unknown

Leopardmon= Unknown

Magnamon- Veemon

UlforceVeedramon= AeroVeedramon

Craniamon= HiAndromon and Andromon

Kentaurosmon= Tylinmon

Gallantmon= WarGrowlmon

Imperialdramon Paladin Mode= Imperialdramon Fighter Mode

Does this sound right?

 

[Executor_N0]

It seems okay, anyway I believe in Silpymon as an evolution of Dynasmon because there is an artwork of Hypercolosseum that places Silpymon as a pre-evolution of Dynasmon and Knightmon as a pre-evolution of LordKnightmon.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

As for the Demon Lords.

Lucemon= Self Providing

Lilithmon= LadyDevimon maybe Ophanimon

Daemon= NeoDevimon? Maybe Seraphimon

Leviamon= Waru or MegaSeadramon?

Belphemon= Astamon. Cyber Sleuth also says Wisemon.

Beelzemon= Other than Impmon. No other confirmed evos.

Barbamon= Apparenty Zeed. ovo. In all seriousness. Unknown

 

[Executor_N0]

Demon and Lilithmon I believe it is better to even put Seraphimon and Ofanimon in view of their being the most official.

I believe that MegaSeadramon is better because it is the evolution chosen in the most recent games (Cyber Sleuth and Next Order).

Belphemon - Astamon - Porcupamon - Phascomon. This was set forth in the first great announcement about the Seven Great Demon Lords.

No ideas for Beelzebumon. About Barbamon I believe that Vandemon / Myostismon fits the character well.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wait, so this is based off of assumptions, which Digimon evolves into which? I get that there's Digimon that digivolve into the next thing in games, but it's never always 100% that (there's obvious exceptions). Imo, if Digimon don't have a set evolution line, they shouldn't have them at all, composite or not.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Cal No we are deciding based on recent additions to the Digimon Evolution lines, which ones work and which ones doesn't. Some have forms that just don't work at all (Beelzemon, Gankoomon anf Leopardmon are examples of this)

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I see.

 

[Executor_N0]

Digimon can evolve into any Digimon by absorbing data. When we do this we analyze the main evolution of it, that is, the one that best suits the previous phase and is more common in the franchise.

For example, although Omegamon has several evolutionary lines, everyone knows that the main evolutionary line, and that of Omegamon RK himself, is War Greymon + MetalGarurumon and so when we create the common Omegamon profile clearly we will only scale the skills of War Greymon and Metal Garurumon.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Like I said in my Digimon File Guidelines blog, on sensical evolutions will be counted. Like we are not going to have ExVeemon get skills from Patamon...Despite that technically being canon thanks to Cyber Sleuth.