Diamondhead 7-A Downgrade

[Kulf_Boba]

The calculation used to justify 7-A in the Diamondhead profile violates this rule of kinetic energy feats:

There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.

This was admitted by the author of the calculation:

Zamasu Chan: May or may not usable because of KE rules.

And by the member of the calculation group who evaluated it.

KLOL506: KE looks fine on paper but might conflict with the whole "surrounding damage" argument.

And this feat is very similar to another in the Invincible series that was downgraded because it broke this same rule about KE feats.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@KLOL506 @Damage3245 @DemiiPowa

Should the calculation be discarded for AP based on the above?

 

[Damage3245]

Looking at the feat in question, I'd say that would probably be for the best but will see what other staff has to say.

 

[KLOL506]

Probably.

 

[omegabronic]

The calculation used to justify 7-A in the Diamondhead profile violates this rule of kinetic energy feats:


This was admitted by the author of the calculation:

And by the member of the calculation group who evaluated it.


And this feat is very similar to another in the Invincible series that was downgraded because it broke this same rule about KE feats.

it doesn't, the moon in there is made of alien metal, so the damage not being done in the way it would to a normal moon is irrelevant

This is a feat for the metal moon if anything

 

[omegabronic]

it doesn't, the moon in there is made of alien metal, so the damage not being done in the way it would to a normal moon is irrelevant

This is a feat for the metal moon if anything

Summazing it, it is the same situation as this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:R4ndomPlayer315/Saitama_jumps_off_the_Moon_(recalc)

Where due to the material which the impact happened being a fictional metal, makes it so that the damage not being high not an KE rule violation, but a feat for the material that the moon is made of

 

[omegabronic]

Summazing it, it is the same situation as this calc https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:R4ndomPlayer315/Saitama_jumps_off_the_Moon_(recalc)

Where due to the material which the impact happened being a fictional metal, makes it so that the damage not being high not an KE rule violation, but a feat for the material that the moon is made of

Here is proof, it is made of alien metal

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The feat is actually FTL I just never edited the calc again. So it wouldn’t be usable regardless.

The other 7-A feat listed was this. Getting 7-A by shaking a few buildings is beyond me. They didn’t even cause an earthquake.
They do have other things tho.

 

[omegabronic]

The feat is actually FTL I just never edited the calc again. So it wouldn’t be usable regardless.

The other 7-A feat listed was this. Getting 7-A by shaking a few buildings is beyond me. They didn’t even cause an earthquake.
They do have other things tho.

How is it ftl? Didn't it took a good few seconds for him to arrive to the moon?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

How is it ftl? Didn't it took a good few seconds for him to arrive to the moon?

I’ll recalculate it then you’ll see.

 

[omegabronic]

I’ll recalculate it then you’ll see.

Ok, thanks

 

[Kulf_Boba]

it doesn't, the moon in there is made of alien metal, so the damage not being done in the way it would to a normal moon is irrelevant

This is a feat for the metal moon if anything

That makes sense to me.

Although you can see from how the other planet looks in the sky that it is not at the same distance as the Moon and Earth in real life, so it must be recalculated using angsizing.

 

[omegabronic]

That makes sense to me.

Although you can see from how the other planet looks in the sky that it is not at the same distance as the Moon and Earth in real life, so it must be recalculated using angsizing.

WoG says that it is the same distance

 

[omegabronic]

That makes sense to me.

Although you can see from how the other planet looks in the sky that it is not at the same distance as the Moon and Earth in real life, so it must be recalculated using angsizing.

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[Kulf_Boba]

WoG says that it is the same distance

Can you pass me the source?

 

[omegabronic]

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Here is the scan

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Here.

 

[omegabronic]

Here.

well rip

 

[omegabronic]

welp, time to remake the scaling chain

 

[omegabronic]

Here.

wait, the distance is larger via WoG

Here is the scan

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

wait, the distance is larger via WoG

He doesn’t give a specific distance

 

[omegabronic]

He doesn’t give a specific distance

the distance is said to be larger than the one from the earth to our moon

 

[omegabronic]

the distance is said to be larger than the one from the earth to our moon

also i didn't understood how you found the time frame, 0.74 seems a little too short

 

[omegabronic]

also this https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/File:Galvan_B_Size.png

 

[Kulf_Boba]

Here.

I would say that for the velocity you have to use the time period from the panel where it is seen in space to the impact with the Moon.

That way you get a Sub-Relativistic velocity and you can get the KE out.

Calculating it quickly I got Large Town level.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

the distance is said to be larger than the one from the earth to our moon

Ok? That's too vague. That's why I used the moon distance as a minimum. Aso WOG is ass lmao.

also i didn't understood how you found the time frame, 0.74 seems a little too short

I explain the reasons in the recalc. It's as clear as day.

I would say that for the velocity you have to use the time period from the panel where it is seen in space to the impact with the Moon.

That way you get a Sub-Relativistic velocity and you can get the KE out.

Calculating it quickly I got Large Town level.

How did you get sub rela? Minimum velocity should be i the relativistic ranges. Regardless, If you actually look at it frame by frame, the relevant distance is crossed in 0.74 seconds. That's why I have the frame by frame linked in the calc.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

How did you get sub rela? Minimum velocity should be i the relativistic ranges. Regardless, If you actually look at it frame by frame, the relevant distance is crossed in 0.74 seconds. That's why I have the frame by frame linked in the calc.

Calculate its velocity from the panel where it is in space until it impacts with the Moon.

 

[omegabronic]

Ok? That's too vague. That's why I used the moon distance as a minimum. Aso WOG is ass lmao.

I explain the reasons in the recalc. It's as clear as day.

Ok

 

[omegabronic]

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Did you considered this size?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

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Did you considered this size?

The size I have it calculated is bigger than what WOG says.

Calculate its velocity from the panel where it is in space until it impacts with the Moon.

That assumes he slows hown out of nowhere

 

[Kulf_Boba]

That assumes he slows hown out of nowhere

If the time displayed on the screen is used, it is obvious that there is a deceleration.

 

[omegabronic]

The size I have it calculated is bigger than what WOG says.

welp, i tried lol

 

[Kulf_Boba]

The size I have it calculated is bigger than what WOG says.

But in the panel you use for pixel scaling the planet and the Moon are next to each other? otherwise the perspective given the distance between them will give you wrong results.

 

[Greenshifter]

The feat is actually FTL I just never edited the calc again. So it wouldn’t be usable regardless.

The other 7-A feat listed was this. Getting 7-A by shaking a few buildings is beyond me. They didn’t even cause an earthquake.
They do have other things tho.

Z-ZAMASU

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Axe the 7-A DH calc ig.

What’s the next best feat?

 

[Emerald]

Echo Echo stopping a nuke explosion

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Wasn’t that Ultimate Echo Echo? P sure we can’t scale everyone to him.

 

[Greenshifter]

Wasn’t that Ultimate Echo Echo? P sure we can’t scale everyone to him.

Backscaling via Ult. Kevin maybe. Just let @Reiner or @Aachintya31 fix this.

 

[Greenshifter]

Also regular Echo Echo slowed it down seemingly.

 

[Greenshifter]

Blanco gave me this one yesterday.