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Invincible nerf (cartoon)

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So here's the deal. The whole 7-A AP is based on a very weird calc. In fact, even the person who originally approved it is now against it.
Like bruh there's an unfinished discussion about it about the calc not fitting the norms.
this is the one
vsbattles.fandom.com

Invincible (TV Series) - Invincible travels to the Moon in a few seconds

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the problem is, KE calculations are not allowed when it comes to ~relativistic speed and higher.
The reason is that in irl physics anything around those speeds stops following the normal KE stuff and technically would gain mass infinitely...whatever, i ain't a physics guy. Either way there standards that KE feats should only exist if the speed is below relativistic speeds.

Overall: the tv series should be nerfed to whatever other feat we have.
 
The math in the calc is fine, the issue was that iirc the destruction shown isn't anywhere near 7-A, although I can't really check since there is no link to the feat in the blog.
 
I recalced this on my own a bit ago since the shot used to angle size wasn’t the best imo. I got low megaton level results off Sub-Relativistic speed which is consistent with other speeds in the show. If the problem is relativism I can probably post mine as a reasonable alternative?
 
Relativism isn't the issue, the problem is that usually with KE if the destruction shown doesn't match up with the KE we go with what's shown, and while it's ambiguous we don't really see any destruction here
 
Well, because there wasn’t much to destroy? They created a crater in the moon but we don’t get enough of a clear view to judge properly.

A calc would be need it to actually show its inconsistent, no?

Anyways, if we don’t count the current Feat being used; I saw that the other accepted calc was of when he survived the orbital laser beam thing.
 
I dunno if they did make a crater, though. The moon seems pretty unaltered from what we see.
 
Here.
You can actually see the elevation become noticeably changed post impact and after Invincible gets up you straight up see that he is in the crater.

it’s probably also noteworthy that the crater would’ve gotten pulverized.
 
oh yeah i guess they did make a crater huh

still that's like, an 8-A/Low 7-C crater at most probably
 
I was gonna do this!

I agree that the verse should be downgraded, the 7-A rating is not supported by the visuals and no character is really even close to that level.
Also, Invincible should in no way scale to Omni-Man, Mark got stomped to hell by him.

Omni-Man has a Low 7-B calc.
8-A calc for Invincible himself. (Though I dunno if the KE standards would allow this here? He's just moving it really with no destructive repercussions and it isn't treated as an AP feat in the show, just LS)

Either way the Top tiers such as Omni-Man should scale to Low 7-B
Weaker top tiers like Invincible should be Tier 8, as this is far more consistent for them at the moment.
 
Has anyone bothered to calc Omni Man’s scene where he destroys the civilization? A friend of mine got Large Mountain level results for it.
 
I'm pretty sure Omni-Man's nuking of the Flaxans could be valuable for him
Shit could be seen from orbit
 
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Also Omniman left the solar system in 2 weeks. This would make his flight speed deep into FTL
 
Arceus0x said:
Also Omniman left the solar system in 2 weeks. This would make his flight speed deep into FTL
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I got Relativistic results using a timeframe of two weeks and the distance between earth and the edge of the solar system. Either I ****** up somewhere or consistency I guess?
 
Distance to edge of solar system is around 100kAU so the speed would be

44523214285.7km/h or 41c
 
Also the crater made in this scene is still probably worth calculating via pixel scaling and all that, if the best feat Mark has is 8-A this should be in the same ballpark
 
Also I should point out that Omni Man destroying the orbital cannon could be seen from the ground
 
Arceus0x said:
the problem is, KE calculations are not allowed when it comes to ~relativistic speed and higher.
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No, only when it is SoL or Higher, as even IRL we have Relativistic stars and planets being thrown away, yes, somehow
www.space.com

'Warp-Speed' Planets Flung Out of Galaxy on Wild Ride

Planets that closely orbit stars that get tossed out of the Milky Way by the gravitational pull of the galaxy's supermassive black hole could also be hurtled into interstellar space at tremendous speeds.
www.space.com www.space.com
 
Bernkastelll said:
So, I disagree with the downgrade if it's based in KE alone
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i mean it is also technically based on the fact that we see no clear crater and the destruction isn't really the same either. Like the explosion we see is high 8-C at best.

Also, since when do we use human KE to determine someone's speed?
 
I think this situation is very similar to one of the old MCU feats, where someone survives being hit by a meteor, but the damage done is nowhere near the calc. In which case, the feat was discarded.
 
 
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