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I pretty much fully agree with Griffin's evaluation.
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That's a fair point. However, wouldn't the metaphysical and non-existential nature of Nightmares themselves suggest a deeper connection to existing beyond conventional space and time? If their very nature is tied to transcending these concepts, it could reasonably support the idea of BDE as an extension of that. It may not be a direct statement of lacking dimensions but the implications of their nature seem to point in that direction imo.Agree with everything but BDE, nothing says she lacks dimensions (spatial or temporal) it just says she exists in a place outside of space and time, her being in that place doesn't mean she lacks those aspects, especially when your trying to argue Higher Dimensional Existence for her as well. She needs to be shown or stated to lack those aspects as the page mentions she'd appear to lack dimensions or such things.
I feel like we actually need to look a bit deeper into this. While it's true that their transcendence seems largely tied to their non-existent nature, Helfilth’s statements later in PoC add some intriguing context. He actively wanders beyond time and space which suggests there might be a stronger connection to either BDE or HDE. It’s not just that he exists outside of space-time — especially when you consider that the Demon World itself is described as a massive space-time continuum. In BT Dante’s storyline, we even see him moving across different realms of the Underworld before ultimately reaching his own domain.I guess NEP and Dream Manipulation are fine but I disagree with HDE, transcending here is revolving around their non-existent nature, not because they are Higher Dimensional beings that's why it mentions you need to wait till they take a physical form, not lower their dimensionality. And existing beyond space and time doesn't support HDE as either, as it lacks details. Something being "Beyond" does not equal a higher existence unless it's defined that way and nothing posted fully defines them as such. I won't even bother using my thoughts on other verses that have the same statements since I didn't agree with those ones but this isn't the same verse so I won't make comparison.
Yeah, I've plans to revamp the metaphysical properties of the verse in detail soon. Thanks for giving input here despite having such hard schedule yourself, LG.You stated that you'd go more in depth in future threads so I'll wait till then but as of now the evidence for BDE and HDE aren't sufficient in my opinion.
Did we say to wait to eventually apply everithing later because the Demon Physiology is a mf mess rn?so what happened to this? I see quite a few staff members evaluated so the approved stuff should be added
Yeah this should be applied. I was just waiting for one last reply from LG but it seems he is kinda busy. Forget it, lets just close it.so what happened to this? I see quite a few staff members evaluated so the approved stuff should be added