Devil May Cry: Low 1-C

[Vietthai96]

@Vietthai96

Tier 1 is out of my expertise. If it can't be calced I usually steer clear, sorry bout that

Nah, get back here, you will not escapes, tier 1 space is just higher infinity, still can be calced

Anyway

What is a Chaos Timeline?

I can't understand any of this, like, all the scans are very disconnected and formed an incoherrent context that make no sense at all.

The scan saying about alternate timeline actually saying parallel dimension, which doesn't mean anything at all in context.


Next is Chaos Timeline, what is it? Rift between worlds but what world?

Nightmare Space is simply a domain of Helfilth, and somehow Helfilth is called "she" in the scan?, mistranslation? Also i don't understand why Helfilth is a spirit who wandering beyond time and space is interpreted in a literal way that his domain also literal beyond time and space. And even if it was, it is just the nature of his own domain that have nothing to do with the cosmology at large

The Significance

I think we had been debated this infinite darkness and the ray of light thing to death. I dom't understand why you can interpreting ray of time into a dimensional slice of a higher dimension. In order for you argument to work, Human World need to be a completely a 2 dimensional slice within the Demon World or a 2D flat. A ray of light isn't a 2 dimensional slice at all, even if i'm interpreting this ray of light as literal.

Lower realm and upper realm are just referring to position, not geometrically, mathematically higher dimensional, this is because Demon Realm was multiple time interpreted by human as Heaven, we literally know this cause some Demons appear as Angels, and some others was thought to be Gods in myth by Human, heck Mundus in Statue form look like Seraph. Temen ni gru literally open the portal to the Demon Realm in the sky

Wel also knows that Pluto literally splitted the original world into two mean Human World and Demon Realm are on the same level of existence

So yeah, i disagree with Low 1-C

 

[Robo432343]

ngl Low 1-C Qliphoth tree is a better argument but chaos timeline? nah not really

 

[Random-Helper323]

Lower realm and upper realm are just referring to position

Temen ni gru literally open the portal to the Demon Realm in the sky

Actually the Qliphoth opened to the Demon World by going downwards and Arius and Sanctus both opened gates horizontally, so it's demonstrably not a matter of literally going upwards to the sky.

Wel also knows that Pluto literally splitted the original world into two mean Human World and Demon Realm are on the same level of existence

Well, the human world was actually separated from the Demon World, so it's not really proof they're the same in any way. We already know the Demon World is far bigger for multiple reasons.

I'm not arguing for or against this thread here, just clarifying some lore.

 

[Vietthai96]

ngl Low 1-C Qliphoth tree is a better argument but chaos timeline? nah not really

I don't think the OP arguing about Chaos Timeline, but the Demon Realm being Low 1-C

 

[Random-Helper323]

ngl Low 1-C Qliphoth tree is a better argument but chaos timeline? nah not really

I'd be interested to look into the Demon World containing multiple space-time continuums in itself including a copy of the human world which seemingly serves as an outer layer between the two worlds, like a doorway.

 

[Robo432343]

I don't think the OP arguing about Chaos Timeline, but the Demon Realm being Low 1-C

Op said, "In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes."

 

[Vietthai96]

Op said, "In short, it functions as a 5-D interdimensional crossroad between universes."

That mean insignificant 5D, you need more than just 5D interdimensional crossroad to be Low 1-C

Also i didn't see being it 5D interdimensional crossroad either, you need to both contains and act as a neutral dimension that separate multiple 4D universe-sized structure

 

[Ommf_Deity]

I can't understand any of this, like, all the scans are very disconnected and formed an incoherrent context that make no sense at all.

The scan saying about alternate timeline actually saying parallel dimension, which doesn't mean anything at all in context.

The scans require the specific context knowledge to understand

Next is Chaos Timeline, what is it? Rift between worlds but what world?

Realm in DW that between the mini realms in his blog

Nightmare Space is simply a domain of Helfilth, and somehow Helfilth is called "she" in the scan?, mistranslation?

Nothing implies it's "he" from the first place

Also i don't understand why Helfilth is a spirit who wandering beyond time and space is interpreted in a literal way that his domain also literal beyond time and space. And even if it was, it is just the nature of his own domain that have nothing to do with the cosmology at large

He doesn't argue on the domain even.
He argues using Helfilith and the gear, to support the Chaos timeline beging higher interdimensional Crossworld.

In order for you argument to work, Human World need to be a completely a 2 dimensional slice within the Demon World or a 2D flat. A ray of light isn't a 2 dimensional slice at all, even if i'm interpreting this ray of light as literal.

Ray of light is 1D, The light is 3D. He also doesn't use the ray of light as an argument but as a support.

Lower realm and upper realm are just referring to position, not geometrically, mathematically higher dimensional, this is because Demon Realm was multiple time interpreted by human as Heaven,

Source, also that was only arkham in one time

we literally know this cause some Demons appear as Angels, and some others was thought to be Gods in myth by Human, heck Mundus in Statue form look like Seraph. Temen ni gru literally open the portal to the Demon Realm in the sky

Still, non of them reffered to Demon world as Lower or higher realm in relative to position.

(Heck. non of them even know about the DW, or that they the share same divine revelation)

And even if true, it won't affect the scale by any means

So yeah, i disagree with Low 1-C

So yeah, I agree with Low 1-C

 

[Vietthai96]

The scans require the specific context knoweldeg to understand

This is not how you defend your argument. If you can't explain to neutral party to make them understand then it is pointless

The Demon world or the realm between the mini realms in his blog

??

He doesn't argue on the domain even.
He argue using Hellith and the gear, to support the Chaos timeline beging higher interdimensional Crossworld.

Nothing implies this, and i already said this

Nightmare Space is simply a domain of Helfilth, and somehow Helfilth is called "she" in the scan?, mistranslation? Also i don't understand why Helfilth is a spirit who wandering beyond time and space is interpreted in a literal way that his domain also literal beyond time and space. And even if it was, it is just the nature of his own domain that have nothing to do with the cosmology at large

Secondly, no scans ever implied Nightmare Space is a part of Chaos Timeline

Ray of light is 1D, The light is 3D. He also doesn't use the ray of light as an argument but as a support.

Ray of light is 1D

Oh my god

Also supporting argument?, it is literally the main argument for dimensional significance

Actually the Qliphoth opened to the Demon World by going downwards and Arius and Sanctus both opened gates horizontally, so it's demonstrably not a matter of literally going upwards to the sky

There are multple ways anyway, upward, downward or even sideway

Well, the human world was actually separated from the Demon World, so it's not really proof they're the same in any way. We already know the Demon World is far bigger for multiple reasons.

This doesn't really matter, i never said Human World is as big as Demon Realm, the issue is they are within the same level of existence, not the same size

 

[Random-Helper323]

There are multple ways anyway, upward, downward or even sideway

That's fine. I just had to clarify the Demon World isn't found in the human world's sky.

This doesn't really matter, i never said Human World is as big as Demon Realm, the issue is they are within the same level of existence, not the same size

Severing the human world from the Demon World doesn't really prove them to be the same dimensionality, especially when there is also a copy of the human world between them as a tiny part of the Demon World.

No idea about this Chaos stuff though. I never played Peak of Combat.

 

[Hecky2222]

Maybe I misread the sandbox, but except "transcending space-time" stuff which can mean anything in context I couldn't see in where Demon World or anything else transcends Low 2C structure there.

Severing the human world from the Demon World doesn't really prove them to be the same dimensionality, especially when there is also a copy of the human world between them as a tiny part of the Demon World.

I assume you are talking about Mirror World right?

 

[Vietthai96]

Severing the human world from the Demon World doesn't really prove them to be the same dimensionality, especially when there is also a copy of the human world between them as a tiny part of the Demon World

What?. Bro, it is, unless proven otherwise, which you need explicit evidence like "character A separated a slice from this dimension" kind of thing

 

[Ommf_Deity]

This is not how you defend your argument. If you can't explain to neutral party to make them understand then it is pointless

Fair enough guess we need to wait for Sonic to provide full context video

??

Mb, I edited too late. Its realm that transcend or between the mini demon world's realms the 2-C ones in his blog

Nothing implies this, and i already said this

Secondly, no scans ever implied Nightmare Space is a part of Chaos Timeline

It's in his scans. But we would also need the Require for full context part

Oh my god

Also supporting argument?, it is literally the main argument for dimensional significance

No. The main argument is the 5D Chaos Timeline, the Ray of light is just a support

 

[Vietthai96]

No. The main argument is Chaos Timeline the Ray of light is the support

The ray of light is completely incompatible with Chaos Timeline argument, Chaos Timeline argument is arguing it to be 5D interdimensional crossworld. While the ray of light argument is arguing for Demon Realm being quantitative superior to Human World

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree with viett so disagree with op

 

[Random-Helper323]

What?. Bro, it is, unless proven otherwise, which you need explicit evidence like "character A separated a slice from this dimension" kind of thing

I'm not arguing it is higher anything without proof. I'm pointing out that your earlier statement that it proves they are the same is inaccurate.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

The ray of light is completely incompatible with Chaos Timeline argument, Chaos Timeline argument is arguing it to be 5D interdimensional crossworld. While the ray of light argument is arguing for Demon Realm being quantitative superior to Human World

It is compatible. It would require for DW to be higher dimensional to contain the Chaostimline, it would shows consistency.

 

[Random-Helper323]

The ray of light is completely incompatible with Chaos Timeline argument, Chaos Timeline argument is arguing it to be 5D interdimensional crossworld. While the ray of light argument is arguing for Demon Realm being quantitative superior to Human World

Strictly it technically isn't, it's just weird. If the Demon World was 5D and some weird crack world owned by Filthy was higher again it'd probably just be 6D, but whatever. I only care that people don't misunderstand the existing lore of the verse; Peak of Combat is a big unknown for me.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm not arguing it is higher anything without proof. I'm pointing out that your claim that it proves they are the same is inaccurate.

?, what?, where is your ground that it is inaccurate?

It is. It would require for DW to be higher dimensional to contain the Chaostimline, it would shows consistency.

You don't need to be higher dimension to contains something, demon world being infinite 4D can contains multiple finite 4D structures

Strictly it technically isn't, it's just weird. If the Demon World was 5D and some weird crack world owned by Filthy was higher again it'd just be 6D, but whatever. I only care that people don't misunderstand the existing lore of the verse; Peak of Combat is a big unknown for me.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

You don't need to be higher dimension to contains something, demon world being infinite 4D can contains multiple finite 4D structures

Strawman+ Infinite 4D can contains 5D?

 

[Vietthai96]

Strawman+ Infinite 4D can contains 5D?

bro, do you read my comment?

 

[Random-Helper323]

?, what?, where is your ground that it is inaccurate?

You said that the two worlds being separated from each other proves they are the same dimensionality.

I said that it technically does not prove any such thing, especially since one is a small part of another.

You seemed to think I was arguing that meant one was higher dimensional. I was not. I was only saying that the two being separated from each other does not prove the same dimensionality.

 

[HelloThere1089]

It's not that hard to understand that the one making the claim that "they are the same dimensionality because they were separated from each other" has the burden of proof smh

 

[Random-Helper323]

It's not that hard to understand that the one making the claim that "they are the same dimensionality because they were separated from each other" has the burden of proof smh

I actually didn't make any claim at all.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Except I did not.

Except I didn't say you did. I'm taking your side here. Does nobody here know how to read?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Except I didn't say you did. I'm taking your side here. Does nobody here know how to read?

Sorry, I was hearing someone talking in person at the same time, hard to read at that moment.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Np. My point is that, just because HW was separated from DW, doesn't make them the same level by default. The one making that claim has the burden of proof.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

bro, do you read my comment?

Ahh, my bad then. even though that's illteraly what we argued for in the start

In order to to contains something higher dimensional in relative to you, need to be atleas has the same dimensionality of it or higer.

 

[Vietthai96]

You said that the two worlds being separated from each other proves they are the same dimensionality.

I said that it technically does not prove any such thing, especially since one is a small part of another.

You seemed to think I was arguing that meant one was higher dimensional. I was not. I was only saying that the two being separated from each other does not prove the same dimensionality.

Oke

 

[HelloThere1089]

Tbh, I'd like a short flowchart of the logic in this CRT. Also from the cosmology blog, it seems like the DW itself embeds multiple Low 2C structures? Doesn't that already make it 5D and you'd just need to prove significant size? I'm not sure what the other stuff is there for. I have not kept up with DMC lore in a while tbf.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I can't understand any of this, like, all the scans are very disconnected and formed an incoherrent context that make no sense at all.

It's simple though?

The scan saying about alternate timeline actually saying parallel dimension, which doesn't mean anything at all in context.

... Which is still alternate timeline? Anyways, the context is that Helfilth thrown Dante and Vergil into the void through shatter space-time in which they came across a weird world in contrast to their own. Initially, Dante assumed Helfilth threw them into the past. However, Dante started wondering if it really is the past or, infact, a Parallel universe. This fact was further proven later by the description of the event in question. I hope this is enough.

Next is Chaos Timeline, what is it?

Rift between worlds but what world?

Chaos Timeline is the superspace that acts as a bridge between universes like Nirvana worlds from DMC3 and many others we seen from PoC. Every scan I gave you said the same thing too so...

Nightmare Space is simply a domain of Helfilth, and somehow Helfilth is called "she" in the scan?, mistranslation?

Helfilth is a "she", sorry for that. I have an habit of calling her a "he" given the vibes. There is no mistranslation included.

Also i don't understand why Helfilth is a spirit who wandering beyond time and space is interpreted in a literal way that his domain also literal beyond time and space. And even if it was, it is just the nature of his own domain that have nothing to do with the cosmology at large

Because Nightmare space takes place within Chaos Timeline and Chaos Timeline is the space between universes.

I think we had been debated this infinite darkness and the ray of light thing to death. I dom't understand why you can interpreting ray of time into a dimensional slice of a higher dimension. In order for you argument to work, Human World need to be a completely a 2 dimensional slice within the Demon World or a 2D flat. A ray of light isn't a 2 dimensional slice at all, even if i'm interpreting this ray of light as literal.

Yes, we did. And apparently none of y'all know anything about how verses like GoW, Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts and countless other verses got it for the exact same reason which we can't get because wiki has a boner against us.

Also, I didn't claimed Human World as 2D anywhere? Nor is it required to be solely 2-D? It is just a 1-D line to Demon World which still counts as a subset of higher dimensions for supporting evidence however Demon World being infinite should do the trick on its own by now.

Lower realm and upper realm are just referring to position, not geometrically, mathematically higher dimensional, this is because Demon Realm was multiple time interpreted by human as Heaven, we literally know this cause some Demons appear as Angels, and some others was thought to be Gods in myth by Human, heck Mundus in Statue form look like Seraph. Temen ni gru literally open the portal to the Demon Realm in the sky

Of course you are going to catch that aspect which is why I said it is a sort of a SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.

Wel also knows that Pluto literally splitted the original world into two mean Human World and Demon Realm are on the same level of existence

Prove it they are on the same level of existence then. Because the experts I know regarding the verse disagree with that notion greatly.

So yeah, i disagree with Low 1-C

Tell me how you get Low 1-C then.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

It's simple though?


... Which is still alternate timeline? Anyways, the context is that Helfilth thrown Dante and Vergil into the void through shatter space-time in which they came across a weird world in contrast to their own. Initially, Dante assumed Helfilth threw them into the past. However, Dante started wondering if it really is the past or, infact, a Parallel universe. This fact was further proven later by the description of the event in question. I hope this is enough.



Chaos Timeline is the superspace that acts as a bridge between universes like Nirvana worlds from DMC3 and many others we seen from PoC. Every scan I gave you said the same thing too so...


Helfilth is a "she", sorry for that. I have an habit of calling her a "he" given the vibes. There is no mistranslation included.


Because Nightmare space takes place within Chaos Timeline and Chaos Timeline is the space between universes.


Yes, we did. And apparently none of y'all know anything about how verses like GoW, Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts and countless other verses got it for the exact same reason which we can't get because wiki has a boner against us.

Also, I didn't claimed Human World as 2D anywhere? Nor is it required to be solely 2-D? It is just a 1-D line to Demon World which still counts as a subset of higher dimensions for supporting evidence however Demon World being infinite should do the trick on its own by now.


Of course you are going to catch that aspect which is why I said it is a sort of a SUPPORTING EVIDENCE.


Prove it they are on the same level of existence then. Because the experts I know regarding the verse disagree with that notion greatly.


Tell me how you get Low 1-C then.

Took you long enough?

 

[Hecky2222]

Yes, we did. And apparently none of y'all know anything about how verses like GoW, Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts and countless other verses got it for the exact same reason which we can't get because wiki has a boner against us.

Lowkey I am sus about other game verses fitting Tier 1 under current standards rather than Dmc being Tier 1 from old standards.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Took you long enough?

Was busy sleeping etc.

 

[HelloThere1089]

Lowkey I am sus about other game verses fitting Tier 1 under current standards rather than Dmc being Tier 1 from old standards.

Everyone will say this during DMC CRTs and then conveniently forget it after the CRT has been locked. If they don't qualify the standards, then how are so many of them still tier 1? Where is the consistency? Not directed at you tho. Just my observation throughout the years.

 

[HelloThere1089]

This is how I interpret the 5-D proposal:

• The human world and demon world (each Low 2-C in size) are seperated by a 5th dimensional axis (which is true as per the faq) and that is nothing more than the chaos timeline.
• The chaos timeline not only has a different space-time but it also transcends it (supporting evidence for higher dimensional nature)
• Then the OP proves that darkness in its totality is infinite as per the raws and the world was born of darkness itself, this makes the totality of cosmology infinite in size, thereby extending the 5th axis to infinity and hence qualifies for Low 1-C.

If this is how you're arguing then count me as agreeing for now, also correct me if I'm wrong.

@SuperSonicTL is this correct? And if it is, then how do the low 2C worlds within DW factor in?

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Everyone will say this during DMC CRTs and then conveniently forget it after the CRT has been locked. If they don't qualify the standards, then how are so many of them still tier 1? Where is the consistency? Not directed at you tho. Just my observation throughout the years.

They'll come to your face and say: "oH bUt ThE uNivErSeS aRe TeChNiCaLlY iNfInItE sO yOu cAn'T pRoVe tHaT sO wE hAvE tO dIsAgReE " and gives you the in return.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

@SuperSonicTL is this correct? And if it is, then how do the low 2C worlds within DW factor in?

No, Human World is 4-D universe like our own that was a part of Demon World. In Demon World, there is a place called Chaos Timeline that acts as a bridge between universes like Nirvana Dimensions as a known example we seen in DMC3. To traverse between those universes, we need a medium that separates all dimensions which is what we called Chaos Timeline.

Chaos Timeline is where a certain entity also lives called Helfilth whose description states that he lives "beyond time and space" which is similar to saying it transcends space and time.

And yes, you are correct there.

 

[Vietthai96]

Which is still alternate timeline? Anyways, the context is that Helfilth thrown Dante and Vergil into the void through shatter space-time in which they came across a weird world in contrast to their own. Initially, Dante assumed Helfilth threw them into the past. However, Dante started wondering if it really is the past or, infact, a Parallel universe. This fact was further proven later by the description of the event in question. I hope this is enough.

Yeah?. If it is a literal timeline, then it can't be a 5D space that act as space between and separate 4D structures

Chaos Timeline is the superspace that acts as a bridge between universes like Nirvana worlds from DMC3 and many others we seen from PoC. Every scan I gave you said the same thing too so...

It is only said it is a rift between worlds

Helfilth is a "she", sorry for that. I have an habit of calling her a "he" given the vibes. There is no mistranslation included.

Oke

Yes, we did. And apparently none of y'all know anything about how verses like GoW, Bayonetta, Kingdom Hearts and countless other verses got it for the exact same reason which we can't get because wiki has a boner against us.

???

Also, I didn't claimed Human World as 2D anywhere? Nor is it required to be solely 2-D? It is just a 1-D line to Demon World which still counts as a subset of higher dimensions for supporting evidence however Demon World being infinite should do the trick on its own by now.

So you didn't read what i said at all. In order for your argument to work, Human World should be a 2-dimension slice within the Demon Realm, i didn't said HW is 2-dimensional, but it must appear 2-dimensional embedded within the Demon Realm, and somehow you interpreted the ray of light as 1D line, which have no evidence to back it up at all

 

[HelloThere1089]

Yeah?. If it is a literal timeline, then it can't be a 5D space that act as space between and separate 4D structures

wait, why not?