Devil May Cry: General Sparda, Modeus and Baul Upgrade

[Random-Helper323]

Dante was unable to defeat Mundus because he was weakened (Mundus: "What is the matter? Here, you're powers are weak. HUMAN!!!), not because he didn't have the Sparda Sword (because Mundus doesn't mention it in the previous quote, he just mentions the place where Dante is as the cause of his weakening). Dante even finally managed to bfr and seal Mundus because he regained strength thanks to Trish and the DT.

There's nothing to suggest the location would weaken Dante but not Mundus, and Mundus is notable for questionable wording and grammar in the prior scene; "taking an odd behaviour" is completely incorrect grammar, either due to his age or his language. We do however have a statement from the game itself that directly states Dante wouldn't stand a chance without the Sparda, and then afterwards he doesn't have the Sparda and he can't win... Lines up pretty well.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

There's nothing to suggest the location would weaken Dante but not Mundus, and Mundus is notable for questionable wording and grammar in the prior scene; "taking an odd behaviour" is completely incorrect grammar, either due to his age or his language. We do however have a statement from the game itself that directly states Dante wouldn't stand a chance without the Sparda, and then afterwards he doesn't have the Sparda and he can't win... Lines up pretty well.

I mean, we clearly see Dante not being well after the statement of Mundus, and Dante eventually wins against Mundus. With Trish's help yes, but he did it without Devil Sword Sparda.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

With Trish's help yes, but he did it without Devil Sword Sparda.

Trish was revived and empowered by Sparda when she lent her power to him, which is what allowed him to seal the blasted king. Dante was already extremely injured from fight before and was weakened, Mundus himself is in tatters. There's a statement somewhere that Dante sealed Mundus with help of DSD, so it is consistent with what happened in the game.

This entire discussion is a bust. You are just pretty much ignoring established scaling chains and how they work for DMC.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Trish was revived and empowered by Sparda when she lent her power to him, which is what allowed him to seal the blasted king.

Where is it said?

Dante was already extremely injured from fight before and was weakened

So we're going to ignore the Mundus statement that I quoted above?

There's a statement somewhere that Dante sealed Mundus with help of DSD, so it is consistent with what happened in the game.

Well I would like to see it.

This entire discussion is a bust. You are just pretty much ignoring established scaling chains

A currently established scaling is not necessarily untouchable and perfect, it does not prevent it from being modified if necessary. And then we are only talking about the level of EoG DMC 1 Dante, not the entire scaling chain.

and how they work for DMC.

No pages or blogs explain how it works to begin with.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Mundus slew Pluto after acquiring the Qliphoth fruit. So Sparda could have been key to acquiring the fruit instead of to defeating Pluto.

This is possible, but it's also hard to be sure that the statement about terrifying the demon world also includes those god tiers.

The current interpretation is that Sparda, Modeus and Baul were all 4-A, Mundus was likely also 4-A (we don't know, just bear with me), and then became 2-C after eating the Qliphoth fruit. Sparda then becoming 2-C to match at some point and leaving the demon world. This is more based on their confirmed power feats at those times.

This is true, but Bolverk was actually stated to have fought Sparda and caused trouble for him during Sparda's campaign against Argosax.

Mundus feared Nightmare destroying the demon world, not so much being directly attacked by him, but it's true that he has a history of paranoia and fearing weaker beings.

We don't know that. btw.

I am fine with Sparda and Mundus ( Sealed and Pre-Fruit ), being 2C etc, equal to likes of Bolverk.

Apprentice brothers are definitely above Mid Level Generals like Phantom and Griffon, I wouldn't say they are above DMC1 Dante or Nelo tho, or EoG DMC3 Twins.

Baul and Modeus is fine being at least 2-C since they made the Demon World tremble anyway

Although since they easely got one shot by Anime Dante while Abigail was able to beat him in base at fist (Who was stated to rival Mundus in power) does make him feared in Demon World not including the Demon King tiers

Sparda is stated also to be on par in power to DMC1 Dante from Phantom and Griffon, so Pre-Rebellion Sparda escaling to 2-C is fine too along with escaling above his aprendices

Anyway, we need to move forward on this thread, so what's your vote?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Anyway, we need to move forward on this thread, so what's your vote?

It isn't as out of the question for Sparda, it just doesn't have much evidence. The fact that we know he was demon king level later does help a lot. I think Baul and Modeus have too many degrees of separation from the demon kings and are would require far more evidence.

Overall I'd say it's best to leave them as they are. There's just not enough evidence to place them at that level.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I'd rather scrap this CRT entirely. We already have plans for reworking scaling. This half baked anyways and doesn't address crucial consequences of changes in scaling.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I'd rather scrap this CRT entirely. We already have plans for reworking scaling.

I wish I had known this earlier, so yeah it's better to close this thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.