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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread
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That's not Dante....
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The people who said that on Tik Tok probably didn't even know about DMC games (unless they're ragebait)
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A better comparison is with "Deadpool from Wolverine vs Deadpool Movies" with that one
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The insult to Dante with this comparison is utterly insane...
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IIRC it's the BH who does it, VM just possesses Ducas to mock Dante
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Still, it won't happen. Capcom aint doing it
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I'll never understand this ship, I don't like it and neither do them canonically
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Same here. It just feels soo weird... Guess that's what Gen Z is all about.
Then again, Dante being considered new Gojo nowadays speaks for itself.
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Of course
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It might happen, after the success of DMC5.
A Lady chapter. Of course, there was even a concept for an actual game starring Lady as the lead, so...
I prefer Dante x Lucia. She has demon powers, hasn't shot him or ripped him off financially, is actually trustworthy and nice, just better across the board, if you ask me.
Update: Plus unlike Lady her ship wasn't officially shot down by Itsuno. While Lady's ship was being shot down Lucia was being made the only woman to officially love Dante.
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I know this is a controversial topic but I think some clarification is needed.
This is about the passive fear/madness of demons, as some non-demon characters in the verse have been shown to not be affected by it. I'm not talking about characters like Nico (who is a gag character), Lady (who already has superhuman attributes like her stats) and Patty and her mother (who are descendants of a powerful sorcerer/alchemist), but about totally normal and random human characters.
Do we count these as simple inconsistencies? Or are there other canon/lore-wise explanations?
This is about the passive fear/madness of demons, as some non-demon characters in the verse have been shown to not be affected by it. I'm not talking about characters like Nico (who is a gag character), Lady (who already has superhuman attributes like her stats) and Patty and her mother (who are descendants of a powerful sorcerer/alchemist), but about totally normal and random human characters.
Do we count these as simple inconsistencies? Or are there other canon/lore-wise explanations?
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I don't mind the Dante/Gojo comparison because I find the latter cool too (even if I obviously prefer Dante because I've never read or seen JJK while I've known DMC since my teenage years).
But I find it crazy that people have genuinely said that Dante is the new Gojo when Dante dates back to 2001 lol
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This isn't a new thing. In the mid 2010's there were people who thought Donte was the only Dante.
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Clearly its the ones who watched the show only that are thinking like this, cuz no way if you played or had knowledge of Dante before the netflix show you would claim that
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The part I don't get is how Nante is similar to Gojo, and in turn, Gojo isn't all that much like the real Dante either. Gojo is a deliberately overpowered mentor figure who basically walks over everything until he meets Sukuna, and meanwhile Nante's win/loss record is... checkered, to put it lightly. Honestly, they have pretty much nothing in common, given Nante hardly even seems special in terms of power in his verse, certainly not as out of the ordinary as Gojo.
Classic Dante isn't always in control of his fights, contrary to popular belief. That's a big contrast with Gojo. Gojo is in total control and then the instant he loses that control he gets ended, and meanwhile Dante has been in situations where his enemies were stronger or at least a match for him many times (Gilver, Vergil many times, Beowolf came sort of close, Arkham, Mundus, Abigail sort of, Chen, etc.) and generally finds a way to function through it. Classic Dante is certainly special in terms of power, but he's not completely unique and he did have to work for it, unlike Gojo.
Classic Dante isn't always in control of his fights, contrary to popular belief. That's a big contrast with Gojo. Gojo is in total control and then the instant he loses that control he gets ended, and meanwhile Dante has been in situations where his enemies were stronger or at least a match for him many times (Gilver, Vergil many times, Beowolf came sort of close, Arkham, Mundus, Abigail sort of, Chen, etc.) and generally finds a way to function through it. Classic Dante is certainly special in terms of power, but he's not completely unique and he did have to work for it, unlike Gojo.
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They have a lot in common but on a surface level:
- Both are very handsome and have white hair and blue eyes.
- Both are very funny, cocky and charismatic.
- Both are overpowered (in their own verse at least)
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Don't know... But okay.
Same is true of numerous characters though, so I don't know if it's enough to liken them closely.
Classic Dante is. Not sure about Nante...
Classic Dante is, although I'd argue not as much as Gojo. Not sure about Nante, he whose W's tend to turn into L's halfway through...
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The Wiki counts them as inconsistencies, but all supporters universally disagree. In the very stories the fear manipulation exists in, it’s made clear that ordinary humans of impressive fortitude can resist. For instance, Grue could while everyone else ate their own eyes. Beryl’s father could in his research over the Beastheads, whereas when activated by Chen everyone else fled in fear. Even in VoV, where V is literally so paralyzed by Urizen he cannot walk forward and sees a horrific skull in the wall like miles away from the BBEG at the base/ENTRANCE of the Qliphoth, Morrison is outside and okay.
It’s just a feat of supernatural willpower.
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To be fair, as Gilver said in his thread, Humanity has some kind of special power and some other bs. "Humanity" has a lot more going for them than just emotions.
Now, Nico and Lady have never encountered any strong ass demon (with the exception of Lady-Urizen but he explicitly wanted Lady to serve him so do with that as you wish). Patty and her mom on the other hand had Allan's tear which is basically protection for them, as humans being descendants of other humans grants absolutely nothing in verse. But you already made a point of them being different.
The only cases I remember of humans being in the presence of demons and not ******** themselves are Grue (who had to make an inhuman effort alongside being injured to keep his sanity long enough), the military at the beginning of DMC5 (who were literally screaming and all as the empusas mowed them down side note, they never killed the empusas, they literally get up and eat the corpses of the soldiers and you see this when Nero arrives), Morrison who escaped the building after Dante came back and I think some anime characters. Beyond that is always fear and panic and madness and people gouging their own eyes and stuff
The majority are inconsistencies as the entries that mention fear hax make a point with some ridiculous showings of said ability.
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If you take this as an isolated case it's normal that it's not enough + the comparison is only at surface level.
I think Dante and Gojo have things in common not just because they have blue eyes and short white hair and are godly handsome, but through the combination of the other things I mentioned. The other common point that could be made is that Dante was also a mentor (kinda) to Nero as Gojo was to Yuji.
I was mainly talking about Classic Dante but yeah that's fair
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So it seems like it's a mix of supernatural willpower feats for some and inconsistencies for others.
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Pretty much... Ofc we can't expect the series to consistently showcase all kinds of side effects at once.
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Thoughts?
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Shit becomes hella confusing with doppelganger as we speak
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Nice combo.
I've often thought that black hole feat could be used, and the black hole creation ability is a thing too.
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Does it only have 1 speed for the Doppleganger?
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Wdym?
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In 5, Vergil's Doppleganger has those 3 "speeds", one where the attacks are super delayed, one where the attacks are slightly delayed and one where his attacks match Vergil's input
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Yeah there are those. I can use them to attack from both fronts simultaneously.
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"But the trouble is that not a single modern weapon is capable of killing a demon."
I've never thought about it before, but does that mean demons are also impervious to nuclear bombs?
I've never thought about it before, but does that mean demons are also impervious to nuclear bombs?
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Obviously lol. They live in Demon World which us much worse then living under nuclear fallout.
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So we can upgrade DMC Volume 1 Dante to much more than just building level.
It also gives much greater resistance to heat and radiation to demons in general.
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There are some problems with it. Biggest of all it would make even fodder baseline 7A.
Let's study the quote a little bit, shall we?
"Not a single modern weapon is capable of killing a demon"
The keyword here is "killing", not hurt or damage but kill. This is more obvious when we see the DMC 5 opening as several soldiers are capable of dropping some basic empusa, the problem comes right after Nero arrives, we clearly see all the empusas they shot down just get back up as if nothing happened.
It's not that they are invulnerable to any modern weapon, it's the fact that no human made weapon can kill them without the demonic juice to help.
On the other hand, demons like The Fallen actually have a straight up invulnerability description, it just wasn't accepted because the staff made some mental gymnastics to deny it (not the first time)
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Why is this a problem?
I'm pretty sure that not being killed by a bomb is still a feat, even if you were injured.
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That quote extremely likely didn't have Sundisc scaling -- I mean, nukes and other such superweapons being shrugged off by fodder in mind. As Tony_di_bugalu suggested, at most it's probably more that demons have an immortality/regen respawn advantage that requires soul damage to be put down permanently, as opposed to stats. And even this is assuming the quote isn't contradicted by, y'know, onscreen goings-on in actual practice, such as the intro of DMC5 itself showing them still at the very least taking considerable damage from miliary guns & vehicular collisions.
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outliers and such
As the page currently is, even lesser demons have low godly. They would just regenerate as if nothing happened even if a bomb destroyed them completely
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Fair, but this statement should not be used as a justification for stats then (as it is currently the case in Dante's First Key and the Low Tiers' Demon Physiology)
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Or as Demon in general is abstract, man made weapons is useless. Also as Tony says, fodder currently have low-godly regen so there's that.
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I said we have to fix a lot of pages didn't I >:v
