Destroying the Babylon Empire level

[Freedomstar]

In animes there are some areas that look small on panel but are actually pretty big. For example the battlefield that the Fourth War took place at.



Seireitei apparently is small country level but looks small



That's just a gist of areas in anime that look small but aren't


I'll start off in BC Ikaros was ordered to destroy the tower of babel, life wipe the country, and destroy it. It was stated that the country population runs into the millions. Now looking that the city-state babylon population was 200,000. Btw this takes place in our universe. Babylon began to grow its kingdom it took over city states around it such as Borsippa, Kish, and Sippar under the control of Sin-Muballit.


Hammurabi came after this father and freed Babylon from Elamite dominance, and indeed drove them from southern Mesopotamia entirely. He then gradually expanded Babylonian dominance over the whole of southern Mesopotamia, conquering the cities and states of the region, such as Isin, Larsa, Eshnunna, Kish, Lagash, Nippur, Borsippa, Ur, Uruk, Umma, Adab, Sippar, Rapiqum and Eridu



Here she is given orders to destroy the entire babylon




This her malfunctioning and falling back into the country she destroyed later on in the story as she tells what happened. You can see the tower of babel.




Here is the anime version cannon but shows a little bit more the small panels on the manga did not. The entire Babylon Kingdom is drawn so small that it looks like a small town but its not. We have key details that it is a country. Babylon expanded its empire by capturing the land all around. We also see the Zagros Mountains.


We know the city Babylon itself wasn't near or by any kind of mountains. As soon as Babylon start capturing all the city-states and the land in the southern Mesopotamia it was close the mountain range.


I saw told this is city level but I disagree. Babylon the city highest population was 200,000 not even close to the millions and Babylon stretched out its empire overtime too.

Also DontTalk told me earlier it was country level but people don't agreee

 

[Freedomstar]

Thoughts anyone because @DontTalk told me it's country level

 

[Pepper14832]

In my opinion this doesn't show country level feat. The manga only shows one city. The anime even points further to it being the City of Babylon in the Empire itself. Is the bombardment 1 teraton of AP?

I'm sorry. I just don't see how this is a country level feat.

Unless all of the Empire of Babylon was one shotted I don't see how it's country level.

 

[Freedomstar]

In my opinion this doesn't show country level feat. The manga only shows one city. The anime even points further to it being the City of Babylon in the Empire itself. Is the bombardment 1 teraton of AP?

I'm sorry. I just don't see how this is a country level feat.

Unless all of the Empire of Babylon was one shotted I don't see how it's country level.

The Manga barely showed anything. The anime showed what the manga did but more. The cannon movie also shows Ikaros destroying the Babylon empire with one blast. How is it the city? The city had a population of 200,000 not millions. The only mountain range near isn't even in Babylon the city.

 

[Fllflourine]

Here. @Kasyacery and @Pepper

 

[Freedomstar]

bump?

 

[Freedomstar]

from the Book of Jasher, describing the acts of those building the Tower of Babel: "...and the Lord knew their thoughts, and it came to pass when they were building they cast the arrows toward the heavens, and all the arrows fell upon them filled with blood, and when they saw them they said to each other, Surely we have slain all those that are in heaven."

But here comes the interesting part, the informational part. The same book mentions the circumference of the tower, and the height of the tower. As for the circumference: "And as to the tower which the sons of men built, the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up one third part thereof, and a fire also descended from heaven and burned another third, and a third part is left to this day, and it is of that part which was aloft, and its circumference is three days walk." As for the height: "And when they were building they built themselves a great city and a very high and strong tower; and on account of its height the mortar and bricks did not reach the builders in their ascent to it, until those who went up had completed a full year, and after that, they reached to the builders and gave them the mortar and the bricks; thus was it done daily."

http://www.wildheretic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=413

 

[Freedomstar]

 

[Freedomstar]

anyone wanna look at this?

 

[Kaltias]

Pretty sure that destroying the tower doesn't need to actually one-shot it but only to collapse it. I'm also pretty sure that using the biblical version isn't allowed because we don't know if it's the same in the verse

 

[Freedomstar]

Pretty sure that destroying the tower doesn't need to actually one-shot it but only to collapse it. I'm also pretty sure that using the biblical version isn't allowed because we don't know if it's the same in the verse

It is. The only thing that is different is God and the angels. In this verse the angels are the gods and they created the big bang. As you can tell there was 1/3 of the tower left in the bible. As you can see when Ikaros malfunctioned and tell back into the country you can see 1/3 of what was left of the tower.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm still very skeptical about one-shotting a tower being anywhere near Country level, as big as the tower is

 

[Freedomstar]

I'm still very skeptical about one-shotting a tower being anywhere near Country level, as big as the tower is

No she destroyed the country and the tower. I was using the tower reference for the some of the country size because it take three days to walk around 1/3 of the tower. The full tower I'm guessing 9 days.

 

[Kaltias]

I'm also positive that the tower in the image really doesn't look 1100 km tall.

 

[Freedomstar]

I'm also positive that the tower in the image really doesn't look 1100 km tall.

That's the way it is drawn. As you can see buildings look like tiny squares compared to the tower. The tower didn't reach the heavens aka Synapse but it won't eventually thats why Ikaros was told to destroy it and the empire.

 

[Fllflourine]

Also was the whole country destroyed in one blast?

 

[Freedomstar]

Also was the whole country destroyed in one blast?

Sora no Otoshimono Nymph (VS) Ikaros-1

look at 2:21

 

[Pepper14832]

That video does not at all show a country busting feat...she begins by attacking, again, one city with multiple lasers. Then uses an arrow to specifically target the tower and the attack just engulfs this said one city. Not miles of land as if she destroyed the whole empire of Babylon.

 

[Kaltias]

To be fair, the anime is nerfed AF. I'm currently planning to reread the manga in order to revise the profiles, they seriously need it

 

[Freedomstar]

That video does not at all show a country busting feat...she begins by attacking, again, one city with multiple lasers. Then uses an arrow to specifically target the tower and the attack just engulfs this said one city. Not miles of land as if she destroyed the whole empire of Babylon.

The Seireitei looks small too and Gremmy was about to bust it in one shot. It takes 3 days to get around 1/3 of the tower of babel. The whole tower I would say about 9 days. You could easily fit 3 to 4 more towers in there. It would only take about 10 hours to walk from one end of New York city to the next. Don't let the small drawing of the country fool you. It is only for us to see Ikaros destroy it. Also no city-state was referred to be a country with a population in the millions. Only Babylon the country had that which Ikaros destroyed in one shot. She didn't fly from city to city. She destroyed it in one shot as even showed in the cannon movie.

 

[Freedomstar]

To be fair, the anime is nerfed AF. I'm currently planning to reread the manga in order to revise the profiles, they seriously need it

It is very much so. They did not even show Ikaros devastating synapse like the manga did.

 

[Pepper14832]

....Someone just calc the attack shown in the video. If it's found to be 1 teraton then it's country level. The size of the tower means nothing....the population means nothing...it's about the afflicted area of the said attack...and all we see is one city. You need more proof than "Well, the creator just draws stuff small all the time" to convince me that this is the area of the entire Empire of Babylon. The missiles in the first attack don't even go beyond the mountains you keep pointing out...if anything that's the view from Ikaros who is flying in the air and the shot is just showing us the destruction she caused..

 

[Kaltias]

@Pepper

Thing is that it's a country in the manga but a city in the anime. Also iirc the anime isn't canon

 

[Pepper14832]

So then we shouldn't be using the anime adaption and pictures from said anime.

 

[Freedomstar]

....Someone just calc the attack shown in the video. If it's found to be 1 teraton then it's country level. The size of the tower means nothing....the population means nothing...it's about the afflicted area of the said attack...and all we see is one city. You need more proof than "Well, the creator just draws stuff small all the time" to convince me that this is the area of the entire Empire of Babylon. The missiles in the first attack don't even go beyond the mountains you keep pointing out...if anything that's the view from Ikaros who is flying in the air and the shot is just showing us the destruction she caused..

ummm no the Ikaros power vary by her emotions with her lasers. They did not even explode like they did in the fight with Nymph, Chaos, or the melans. It does mean something. The tower sits in the middle of the country. It takes 3 days to walk around 1/3 of the tower. All together 9 days. You could fit 4 of those towers around the country. by your logic Her devastating synapse is small

The islands are shown to be the same size and big enough to carry mountian ranges.






Even the portal to synapse to the sky is small but is just about as big as Japan.

 

[Antvasima]

@Kaltias

Thank you for the help.

 

[Freedomstar]

@Kaltias

Thank you for the help.

Does this mean Country level base Ikaros like her profile already was at?

 

[Kaltias]

She is already "at least Small Country, likely Country". It's more to stay on the safe side than anything

@Ant

No problem. The manga is so much fun

 

[Freedomstar]

She is already "at least Small Country, likely Country". It's more to stay on the safe side than anything

If she is at "at least small country, likeky country" in base should not she be higher in Uranus Queen form? It unlocks her power to its true potential that base form doesn't have.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, but not quite enough to jump a tier. We need more proof

 

[Freedomstar]

Yeah, but not quite enough to jump a tier. We need more proof

Well She did devastated Synapse in the Scan I got you. Ikaros also ordered to destory a mountain and then a country with her laser cannon but was stopped by Sugata.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah but timeframe and method of destruction are an issue. They can influence the result quite a lot.

 

[Freedomstar]

Yeah but timeframe and method of destruction are an issue. They can influence the result quite a lot.

Well we know it had to be several apollon and lasers missles. She rarely ever bring out her most powerful weapon. When I made a revision last time her profile got changed to small country level. DontTalk had her at country level in base form and I screenshotted why.

 

[Kaltias]

Yeah, I meant one, two, three shots...

While I respect DT a lot, nobody it's infallible. These profiles do need revisions. Also thanks for the scans. They'll come in handy for the future revision

 

[Freedomstar]

Yeah, I meant one, two, three shots...

While I respect DT a lot, nobody it's infallible. These profiles do need revisions. Also thanks for the scans. They'll come in handy for the future revision

small country or country level accepted for destroying Babylon?

 

[Kaltias]

Until evidence that she did it with a single shot, Low 6-B, likely 6-B is the best option

 

[Freedomstar]

Until evidence that she did it with a single shot, Low 6-B, likely 6-B is the best optio

Well she one shotted it with an apollon. In the cannon movie it shows the same thing. The artemis lasers did not even have powers backed by it. As you can tell in a serious battle they explode. None of them exploded with she used them to life wipe a country. I think base Ikaros should be at at least small country level to likely country level for Destroying the Babylon Empire. A weak and malfuntioned Uranus Queen Ikaros should be Large country to continental for devastating Synapse to almost nothing was left(she was stopped from destroying the whole thing) and standing up to pandora mode Chaos, who also absorbed an angeloid that was supposed to have the power to match Ikaros and defeat her. Pandora Mode Ikaros should be at least Large continental or High Multi continental considering she destroyed an army of Melan Uranus Queen Ikaros, who should have better durability than base from Ikaros and UQ version, that can each tank country level attacks. It would also make sense too because Nymph destroyed 24 Melan UQ Ikaros in Pandora mode. Each one has country or large country level durability considering their superior than base and UQ, and Pandora Ikaros is still stronger than Nymph in Pandora form.


Thats just me using feats and powerscaling. If you find any flaw please let me know. I think it is great that you're doing a revison for the series because most for their DC, strength, and speed feats aren't shown. Like for example Pandora mode 1 Astrea can fly at light speed using her wings powered by photons. We also know that Ikaros has the best flight speed of any angeloid. Her flight speed upgraded when she reached pandora mode, so Ikaros should be more light speed or FTL in flight speed being faster than Astraea.


Also off topic sorry wouldn't a character profile like Tomoki be a joke battle since he is basically a joke and toon force charcter?